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08-20-2020 , 10:47 PM
There does appear to have been an influx recently of these hard right types. Just yesterday there was that guy who started off on the gold standard and 20 posts later he's on about needing AK47 because otherwise the libs are going to exterminate middle America or something. I'm not sure if he was alluding to a race war or what all that was about, but TD banned him. Then there was the immigration lawyer/neuroscientist with the race/IQ takes last week. They don't usually pop up with such regularity IIRC.
08-20-2020 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
By all means, start one. I think that's the least this forum can oblige after you flied solo as mod here for so long.
+1
08-22-2020 , 09:38 PM
esspoker was an interesting poster, you guys just struggle to shed the affectation and allow yourself to respect or ponder anything else.

do better lmao
08-23-2020 , 06:23 AM
I had a post here last night which I forgot to hit the actual reply button on, my apologies:

I have cleaned up some posts that were clearly more about airing grievances and calling people stupid than they were about moderation.
08-24-2020 , 09:27 AM
So what's the go with this?

Why is it that I get banned constantly for racism , sexism , etc without even mentioning the post that was racist/sexist?

I get banned and basically told to never post again for no reason besides the fact that most of the mods lean left and dislike me?

Literally 99% of the titles on this thread lean left and attack conservatives every step of the way yet nobody even bats an eye?

Isn't the whole point of a forum to discuss topics?

You guys keep wondering why you lose elections and wonder why people support trump..it's literally this

This subforum itself reflects society where you go around circle jerking each others ideas and try to yell out the opposition..

Most of you parade around arrogantly trying to showcase your intellectual superiority but will ban anyone that disagrees with you lol what a ***** joke
08-24-2020 , 09:31 AM
anyways just ban my account idgaf anymore it's boring at this stage where every mod is just some left leaning schmuck who defends every left poster tooth and nail and ban anyone else for the slightest error
08-24-2020 , 09:34 AM
I have moved a thread regarding moderation here.
08-24-2020 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by lvr
anyways just ban my account idgaf anymore it's boring at this stage where every mod is just some left leaning schmuck who defends every left poster tooth and nail and ban anyone else for the slightest error
Speaking as someone who is constantly accused of being racist, homophobic, a "science denier", etc, I find the moderation quite fair.

You really have to be brazenly "over the top" to get even a temp-ban in this Forum.
08-24-2020 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by lvr
So what's the go with this?

Why is it that I get banned constantly for racism , sexism , etc without even mentioning the post that was racist/sexist?

I get banned and basically told to never post again for no reason besides the fact that most of the mods lean left and dislike me?

Literally 99% of the titles on this thread lean left and attack conservatives every step of the way yet nobody even bats an eye?

Isn't the whole point of a forum to discuss topics?

You guys keep wondering why you lose elections and wonder why people support trump..it's literally this

This subforum itself reflects society where you go around circle jerking each others ideas and try to yell out the opposition..

Most of you parade around arrogantly trying to showcase your intellectual superiority but will ban anyone that disagrees with you lol what a ***** joke
Your account is a 2012 account so what am i missing here?

Are you saying pre 2012 you got banned a lot for racism?

I can say confidently that this forum, more than any other i follow tolerates race baiting such as what itshot & corpus vile do constantly.

So what is your complaint exactly? Is it pre 2012 you got banned a lot?
08-24-2020 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by lvr
anyways just ban my account idgaf anymore....
The best place to request a self-ban is HERE.

If that doesn't work, I suggest you send me (or any mod, really) a PM with the request. Some would be happy to oblige.
08-24-2020 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by lvr
You guys keep wondering why you lose elections and wonder why people support trump..it's literally this
It literally isn't. The 'authoritarian left' is offputting, but, by about 56-40 with remarkably few don't-knows, most Americans do not at present 'support Trump'.
08-25-2020 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by lvr
anyways just ban my account idgaf anymore it's boring at this stage where every mod is just some left leaning schmuck who defends every left poster tooth and nail and ban anyone else for the slightest error
LOL. I just popped in here to say that I thought the mods were wise to give early head shots to bad threads. And your most recent thread was exactly the sort of thing I had in mind.
08-26-2020 , 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Your account is a 2012 account so what am i missing here?

Are you saying pre 2012 you got banned a lot for racism?

I can say confidently that this forum, more than any other i follow tolerates race baiting such as what itshot & corpus vile do constantly.

So what is your complaint exactly? Is it pre 2012 you got banned a lot?
Wah wah wah. Only ones race baiting here are those who insist systemic racism and falsely accuse others of racism if they disagree with their shrill emotive narrative.
08-26-2020 , 05:00 AM
Re moderator bias
There is a moderator bias in the sense that they allow false accusations of racism to slide but delete heated responses. They also misrepresent people's positions and allow bad faith posting and gaslighting by other posters.

Moderators shouldn't be allowing false accusations as they tend to derail threads and such serious accusations should be backed up by evidence or else shouldn't be permitted.
08-26-2020 , 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Re moderator bias
There is a moderator bias in the sense that they allow false accusations of racism to slide but delete heated responses. They also misrepresent people's positions and allow bad faith posting and gaslighting by other posters.

Moderators shouldn't be allowing false accusations as they tend to derail threads and such serious accusations should be backed up by evidence or else shouldn't be permitted.
It's not practical for moderators to investigate every accusation and decide if it true. It's also not a good idea as they will inevitably be seen as taking a side.
08-26-2020 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
It's not practical for moderators to investigate every accusation and decide if it true. It's also not a good idea as they will inevitably be seen as taking a side.
It occurs with such regularity in this forum that it wouldn't be that hard to keep track of.
08-26-2020 , 06:12 PM
From the forum guidelines:
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you should not expect to be shielded from other posters arguing that your views are bigoted, racist, sexist
Obviously not an invite to openly harass people or troll people with such claims, but from what I can see I have no reason to suspect that the people making these claims do not believe them.

What person A sees as racism does not necessarily carry over to what person B think is racism. To use the moderation bat to determine that debate is dubious as long as there is no strong reason to believe it is not done simply for trolling, harassment or represents an extremist / violent ideology.
08-27-2020 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
From the forum guidelines:


Obviously not an invite to openly harass people or troll people with such claims, but from what I can see I have no reason to suspect that the people making these claims do not believe them.

What person A sees as racism does not necessarily carry over to what person B think is racism. To use the moderation bat to determine that debate is dubious as long as there is no strong reason to believe it is not done simply for trolling, harassment or represents an extremist / violent ideology.
I have had posts deleted by the current modding team and been admonished for: being too inflammatory, presenting my opinion as fact, and too much conjecture. And I have PMs in my inbox confirming this if anyone wants to challenge whether this is true or not (and this isn't counting the Covid post you recently deleted and infracted me for which isn't relevant to this discussion)

When by any objective measure many of the "your a lying, racist bootlicker who enjoys the killing of black people" type posts that pop up a lot from Marksman, Victor, Goofy, et al. that we see a lot going on right now are certainly filled with plenty of conjecture and much more inflammatory than the posts I have had deleted.

So from my perspective I hope you can appreciate this may appear as a double standard.

Last edited by Kelhus100; 08-27-2020 at 03:00 AM.
08-27-2020 , 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
Who would have thought resisting arrest with weapons involved could have a bad outcome?

I wonder how many cases it will take for the message to sink in.
So. I just got infracted for trolling for this post. How in the flying **** is that trolling? Seriously?
08-27-2020 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
From the forum guidelines:


Obviously not an invite to openly harass people or troll people with such claims, but from what I can see I have no reason to suspect that the people making these claims do not believe them.

What person A sees as racism does not necessarily carry over to what person B think is racism. To use the moderation bat to determine that debate is dubious as long as there is no strong reason to believe it is not done simply for trolling, harassment or represents an extremist / violent ideology.
Okay. That's actually well reasoned and fair enough. I'll simply ignore such tactics in future and again fair enough.
Cheers.
08-27-2020 , 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by smartDFS
lmao at trolly going to every thread and whining to mods to remove posts he doesnt agree with
Blatant lying should not be tolerated on this forum. If in every discussion about Ronald Reagan I proclaim 'ya but he murdered two people during his presidency' as part of some conspiracy theory or misguided or willfully distorted belief, the mods should let me know that won't be tolerated.

There is a pattern in the right to just try to overwhelm discussions with lies when the facts are not enough to support their position. And then just repeat them over and over as if fact. That literally destroys any attempt to have real discussions.

Its why most forums do not allow CT stuff as you cannot honestly debate them. They don't care about facts or truth and just want someone to reply so they can cut/paste the lies and CT's.
08-27-2020 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
So. I just got infracted for trolling for this post. How in the flying **** is that trolling? Seriously?
Sounds like it is for low content than anything but then again there would be countless others like that so..
08-27-2020 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
So. I just got infracted for trolling for this post. How in the flying **** is that trolling? Seriously?
I think maybe because you implying police shootings are, or should be, some sort of detrent, when in reality they are 100% reactionary.
08-27-2020 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
I have had posts deleted by the current modding team and been admonished for: being too inflammatory, presenting my opinion as fact, and too much conjecture. And I have PMs in my inbox confirming this if anyone wants to challenge whether this is true or not (and this isn't counting the Covid post you recently deleted and infracted me for which isn't relevant to this discussion)

When by any objective measure many of the "your a lying, racist bootlicker who enjoys the killing of black people" type posts that pop up a lot from Marksman, Victor, Goofy, et al. that we see a lot going on right now are certainly filled with plenty of conjecture and much more inflammatory than the posts I have had deleted.

So from my perspective I hope you can appreciate this may appear as a double standard.
Your perspective only involves your bias though.

I too have had many posts removed when they thought I went too far in labeling you guys or accusing you guys.

I did not like. I thought you guys deserved it and thought I could make the case in your posts.

BUt then I take a breath and realize in this area the Mods judgement will be applied very subjectively and will not, and should not be expected to plaese everyone.

In most cases it is applied (imo) to just provide a warning shot, that things need to be pulled back. It is not even necessarily about getting into the nitty gritty of right or wrong. And that is fine.

Irritating at times, but fine when you understand there is no line they can tiptoe that would please everyone and demanding they 'please me' specifically is just silly.

Last edited by Cuepee; 08-27-2020 at 10:35 AM.
08-27-2020 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Remember the last time you kept doing a thing the mods asked you not to do? Did you learn anything from that experience?

Except they aren't doing that.
I think you are referring to me saying "make america great again" at the end of my posts to make it appear as a signature after I did it a few times in the trump thread. I stopped doing it immediately when I got the warning, but was banned anyways because a day or two later I said the quote in the middle of my posts in response to something dealing with the slogan.

Funny you bring that up, because right now the same thing is going on. I was told to stop sharing non-public info so I did. Now, non-mods are accusing me of saying non-public info after I shard a link that corroborated what I am now saying.

      
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