In the non-shithole ones, not so much.

What does it matter the guns come from the United States? It’s just good business to buy them there because they can be sent back on established smuggling routes. If the all the guns in the USA magically vaporized the cartels would get guns from somewhere else. The remotest militias in the most inaccessible places of the world have no trouble acquiring guns, ammo, rpgs. If they have the money a seller will find them.

All nations, but especially rich countries that consume a lot of drugs, need to legalize most drugs and allow them to be produced. Government policy essentially gives a lucrative monopoly to cartels.

Yes, like Calderon says, you can google the banks that did and do business with them. These banks are literally supporting terrorist groups, and stuff like this is swept under the rug. And these are big bank. It's amazing that no government is holding them accountable. Nothing new really, whoever has the money has the power. It's all about money.

Yes Mexico has only one official gun store.

Here is the full podcast. This Ed Calderon guy I find pretty interesting. He says the Mexican economy has tanked around the 2000 mark, which is true. And that guys around the age of 20 only had 2 options, work for the cartel or for the government. Which in essence means, you either work for the cartel directly or indirectly. He worked as a cop. These cops sometimes don't know who they are working for, most things are above their paygrade and when they refuse a job they get killed. Best example for this is when the cops abducted and handed over the the 40 something students which were murdered and then the gov tried to sweep it under the rug. When you are familiar with that case, you really understand the craziness of all of this. The major and his wife of that state where it happened went on the run, and could be tied to the cartel. They are servimg time now. But this was just exection because of all the media, they had to throw them under the bus.

Yes and immigration is tied to this and imo only to this.
All the violence in South America is due to only one thing, drugs/money and the effects of it. I have seen the large groups moving through Mexico myself. They are everywhere. Coming from some messed up place in Latin America to the States. They do not want to leave their country but are forced.

I agree with this, especially the bolded is well put. They are literally handing them over a monopol which is super lucrative. They are running their business like a an army. They are essentially the big bully on the schoolyard. Everyone is scared. They received training from US and Mexican special forces. And they are using scare tactics only used in wars otherwise. Which is to display the willingness of commit unspeakable violent acts to anyone being in their way. Imo these are tactics only uses before in wars like vietnam. And it works. Everone got this message, nobody is messing with them.

If I understand sovereign nation correctly it does not fit Mexico.

Edit:
I looked it up: sovereign

a supreme ruler, especially a monarch.
"the Emperor became the first Japanese sovereign to visit Britain"

1.
possessing supreme or ultimate power.
"in modern democracies the people's will is in theory sovereign"


In the case of Mexico, the ultimate power lies in the hands of the cartel. They own the army and the big guns, also all the money. As was said before, the people of Mexico have no say. Most of them are honest, hardworking and friendly people, but they are terrorized by a militarized force that they can't deal with. All they can is obey and shut up or get killed. Thats why I said it really is a culture of fear. If anyone speaks up, they get murdered.

I mean you can still live there and have a somewhat normal life. But deep down, the people know they are f.
They are constantly on alert, and avoid certain things like traveling at nights, walking around at nights or show off wealth.

Do not drive a nice truck over from the USA. Chances are good you will return without that truck. Especially 4×4s are jacked from tourists.

What did I hear on the news last night record number of overdoses in the USA last year almost 100,000.

Yet the USA spent trillions attacking two countries that had nothing to do with killing 3500 folks on 9/11

Amazing how both the dems/GOP are pretty much silent as the banks have the Dems bought and the Gun Lobby has the GOP bought

We already see some kind of civil war in the sense of amed groups fighting each othet every day aka the cartels.

The problem is really, that groups are pretending to be fighting against this, will do so only to end up trafficking drugs themselves. The incentive is just too high, it's too much money to be made. So you cannot install the "good guys" the good guys always end up as the bad guys in this.

And this really only leaves one logical option, which is to take the wind out of the sail and legalize all of it. Or make it accessible regulated through government. It sounds crazy I know, but that's the only option imo. And experts agree. The upside would be, a multibillion dollar industry not being in the hands of criminals, far less murders and safe ways for users to comsume and buy. With safer stuff and safer people. That would be the only intelligent way.

Yes and to your USA violence part, of course most of the shootings, gang violence, and overdose can be traced back to the war in drugs. So at the end these laws only bite themself in the ass. The violence in both parts, South and North America is of course greatly due to all of this.

That's an amazing number, which im afraid will only go up from now on.

Chinese fentanyl is taking over the black market and nobody knows wtf is in it. Its coming from china to Mexico and then on established routes to America. So you and the tax payer is double f. This can only lead to more death, incarceration or violence. The only thing I know it's originally 100× stronger than heroin.

lol, no

Your sleepy white suburbanite badge is showing.

The odds of being killed by a would-be mugger in most US cities is almost nil. Resist and they'll bounce.

If you're wearing rival gang colors in a particularly shady part of East St. Louis and you aren't already dead, then yeah maybe just give them your wallet if they seem to be willing to let you go afterward.

I generally agree with the earlier the better, but I am not sure what is the right way here.

Legalizing would financially hurt the cartels the most.
I think human trafficking is just a by product. When you have criminals running your country they will use every source of income. So if you eliminate them, and their ways of making money and install a normal government, things can only get better.

The cartels are presenting themselves, even viewing themselves as freedom fighters. The are the maleverde, the robin hoods, to the farmers and village people. The people that really get f the most in all of this. I will show you a cartel leader with a golden bin Laden revolver.
The corruption in this country hits them the hardest.

The thing is the Taliban was trained and equipped by the USA, just as the Sinaloa cartel and other groups were.

Buy sinaloa cartel merch like cups and hats in the shops of sinaloa. Because ' people like him, he helped a lot of people. Wtf. Mexico is crazy. This is a very recent video.

So trumps made us companies leave mexico, and chinese companies settled in mexico.
Thats is a fact according to this video. It gets really interesting when he starts to talk about the connections between china, mexico and the US, about cuba too. Mexico is competing with afghanistan, they are the main producers of opium, the heroin market. China is delivering fentanyl. Its crazy af. Around min 1:40. What strategies they are using. Amerika is too shortsighted and china and cuba follow the same strategies for decades.

Lol at thinking you can just "get" the cartels, learn nothing from vietnam? this is 100x tougher as theyre entrenched in everything, with legit family members in govt positions, police, military, etc. Its all so corrupt, everywhere. USA included but there's simply less quantity of gangsters in USA and better opportunities so less youth get sucked into it...

the border is not stopping anyone, especially no criminals. Nobody gives a f about a border. You can marry, invest, just go there and stay, there is tons of ways. Trust me the border is not doing anything. Millions of dollars from the drug industry are invested in US real estate, companies etc.

This! and most of the overdoses are caused by Fentanyl. Wtf is the USA doing?

Why would you add something to something as strong as Heroin, which is already leathal enough? Only to make it more leathal?

They are adding Fentanyl to Heroin which makes it even more dangerous.



They are talking about nothing less than a secret attack on the USA and you guys are all quiet?


Mexican cartels backed up by Chinese cartels are taking over the drug market. Not that the mexicans arent controlling it already, but they do have allies.

Yes the Chinese have interest in Mexico. Recently they confiscated 100M dollars in Mexico, from a Chinese Mexican,

who imported Fentanyl legally. What is going on? No other company but the (cjng) cartel grew in the covid

pandemic.

Around 1:40 of this video they are talking about it. And in case you dont want to listen to all of it here are the key facts:

- 100.000 people die of an overdose every year in the US.

- The demand is unstoppable, its superstrong and supercheap. Most opiate addicts, Heroin, Meth, anything are taking Fentanyl, bc it is available and cheap. It is filling a gap and

- the cartels are taking advantage of it. They dont even bother anymore growing too much on their own, why grow it when you can just order it from the chinese?

- Where does the money go? Billions of dollars are invested in the USA by the cartel. Real estate, comanies, everything.

Unemployed Americans are smuggling drugs to escape poverty during covid.

Legalize them all.
Give the cartels exclusive rights for coke. As long as they meet quality standards and they control the border, they're the country's exclusive supplier so that keeps a nice revenue stream for them and they don't have to worry about their bank accounts being frozen.
US companies get the heroin. We spent a shitload getting the Afghan poppy fields going again so it's only fair.
Crank will have to be up for negotiation.
Weed, open competition.

I'm sorry, I should have said cocaine is also laced with fentanyl these days. It appears they are lacing everything. They do this so they can have crap or low quality heroine or cocaine and make it stronger.

You only need a small amount of cocaine or heroin then lace it and make a even bigger profit. That the clients are dying doesn't bother them. They sell more and more. It's also more addicting, which probably compensates.


'Overdoses Involving Cocaine and Fentanyl Are On The Rise'
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/05/10132...-with-fentanyl


"https://www.dea.gov › filesPDF
Cocaine/Fentanyl Combination in Pennsylvania - DEA.gov
Some seized cocaine exhibits were found to contain cocaine and fentanyl, as well as a combined cocaine and fentanyl presence in overdose death toxicology."

Take away all their cost for smuggling and seized shipments but supply a safe, pure product with exclusivity and it's not a bad proposition.

As far as legalizing goes I think it's really the only way.

The cost of smuggling doesn't bother them also the seized shipments doesn't bother them at all. It's only a tiny fraction which is calculated. Remember el chapo? He was a really creative guy, called the tunnel guy.
He made tons of tunnels underneath the border and tons of drugs still get in that way. Drones, submarines, everything imaginable, I think this makes it even more interesting to them. If it's too easy it gets boring right? It s really crazy if you look at the creativity they are putting into this. But it's also the logical and only way.
'Mexican style' comes from it that imo.

The way it works is this:the cartel is run like a franchise, every territory is split. Like a burger king. That's why we see all these fights ober territory between the cartels.
Anyways the more creative they get the more drugs they can traffic, the more money they get. They have a ' creative department that thinks all day how to smuggle. And these guys have everything, chemists, PhDs, everybody is in on it. They are able to produce cars or parts out of cocaine. Hard matter that the dogs can't sniff. They come up with everything. They do this all day. So whichever branch comes up with the best ways makes the most and has the most power. And every branch is managed differently bc it has different management. The only way a beach stays in power is by using force. So they all killed etc other cartel members.

You can't have them produce anything imo because they are criminals only interested in making the most money. They really don't care what happens to the clients. Whoever is best at this survives.

This is one man who got busted, they call him the strew maker. He is estimated to have disposed 5000 people. One man 5000 people. I don't think you can put any trust into this organization. The saying is you can't trust anybody, not even your own shadow. That's what the Mexican family told me when I was there. It was my family on Christmas. They didn't lie.



The mexicans realized that they are at a disadvantage, and the only way to change it is follow suit. That means militarize like the USA and take from the weaker.

Imo +1
It all starts there , followed by the lack of government to provide enough social programs to prevent poverty to reach level where drugs are the only solution to escape poverty itself.

I personally can’t blame someone using criminality over slavery , shrug.

People must have something to lose if you want them to listen or act accordingly to laws .

I don’t see how a society thrive without a minimum of « fairness » .

Of course they care. Who wants to waste money on submarines only to have them captured and shipments seized? That all eats into their margin. Much better to just drive a semi to the border, show your papers and drop off to a distribution hub.
They can play submarine trying to figure out how to get it into places like the UK.

Nah .
Not with the margin they are doing .

Medellin cartel with escobar for example are know to literally had huge planes just to get a shipment across and abandoned them .

And that cost is built into the price. They would be able to keep that price and significantly reduce cost.
It is tricky as they would probably take a hit on distribution profit which may be significant but that's what business negotiations are for.
Also maybe they get meth production also. I think some of the key chemicals already come from China and the cartels may already control some of that supply. So give them meth and it's in their interest to control the border from those chemicals coming in to supply competition. How they enforce the border is up to them.