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You can have baseline difference between males and females but those are molded by society. This is why we say that gender is socially constructed and not biologically determined. And if "gender" were indeed biologically determined, you wouldn't have so many wanting to change it.

Definition of male is: of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.

That cannot be “molded” by society. Society can do nothing so that a female produces male gametes and vice versa. No female will ever be able to inseminate another female.

06-21-2023 , 01:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Meisner

You're trying to conflate sex with gender. Nothing I said suggested that society creates males or females.

ETA: Perhaps I can see how you're taking it that way but that's certainly not what I meant.

What I meant was that the differences between males and females are molded by society to create what is considered to be gender.

06-21-2023 , 01:12 PM

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oh goodie, we've got a new person here to tell us about gametes! All along I've been thinking that when a person says they are trans what they are meaning is their gametes are playing switcharoo, thank goodness we have someone to help clear up that confusion!

06-21-2023 , 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Meisner

I disagree with your assertion that nothing productive comes from discussions about whether being transgender is real, etc. Take pronoun usage, for example. The choice of language you use reflects your internal thought process. Your feelings. Your beliefs. If I wrong you in some way, whether you say to me, "Meisner, I'm disappointed in you" is a lot different than you saying, "Meisner, I'm f*cking p*ssed off at you right now!" Neither I, nor my actions, dictate that. Your responses, your feelings, your thoughts do. So, if I look at a woman, doesn't matter what the woman is trying to present to people or that she's trying to resemble a man. To me it's a woman and the appropriate linguistic pronouns are her/she.
And let us not forget, some aspects of language exist to simplify understanding and make it so we others can understand us. If I'm talking about buying a new couch because my old one is worn out, you know exactly what item I'm considering purchasing. At no point will you think I'm on my way to buy a bushel of apples. So, if I'm talking about a person you do not know and I refer to that individual as "he", you already know I'm talking about a man. You would not meet that person and expect to be meeting anything but a man. No confusion. We do not each have our own pronouns. Sorry to break it to you.

If you wanted to rant about why you won't use someone's pronouns of choice, I guess you could go off to one of the existing transgender topics and do so. I have no idea why you would choose to do so in a thread about how mental health categorizations of transgender people should be moderated, or why you would do so in response to my post about nothing productive coming from discussions about whether being transgender is real, or if it is a mental disorder.

06-21-2023 , 01:18 PM

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Well, this thread is pretty much a trainwreck now.

Anyone remember what the thread was about anymore?

06-21-2023 , 02:05 PM

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Ok. Ive got the inputI needed about the issues about discussing transgender people and mental health. Unfortunately I also see the same old problems of people citing misinformation as fact, and trolling. So Im closing this thread as I got what I needed from it as it relates to modding.

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