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01-10-2024 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Do I support this kind of journalism were a reporter waits for the deputy PM and asks her a good question why Canada has not classified a group as terrorists when most countries have. Reporters do this everyday from CNN & MSNBC and Fox and Canadian news agencies.
They must have switched the video after you posted, as this doesn't describe what I saw.
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01-10-2024 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Your crazy if you think this is a justified arrest? I am not sure if Rebel Media is granted access and you know the Liberals will never allow them a question if they had access
Where did I say it was a justified arrest ?
Rebel media has been previously ejected even in conservative conference news so I don’t know why u make it a liberal vs the world thing .

Rebel news are just trash paparazzi behaviour news outlet .
And again we see it here again how they try to make it about something about politics when instead it just about how stupidly they make news …..
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01-10-2024 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PerpetualDonk
It has everything to do with his media outlet. Canada has fallen hard. You had peaceful truck protestors having their financial assets frozen. You have people who defend their homes being thrown in prison. ITs an alt left dystopia
Lol peacefully preventing people to actually be able to used the city for 3 weeks and closing the borders .

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6730653

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People in Ottawa-Gatineau mostly told the Ottawa People's Commission that last year's self-described "Freedom Convoy" brought widespread human rights abuses to people in the city's downtown, according to a new report.

The commission, which is separate from federal and city reviews of what happened in Ottawa in January and February 2022, said it wanted to hear from community members about the impact of the protest-turned-occupation about COVID-19 rules and the governments managing of them.

It said in a report released Monday that feedback was largely negative, that people felt unsafe and abandoned to a violent occupation of their neighbourhoods "by force and without their agreement."
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« People who live and work in downtown Ottawa endured several weeks of widespread human rights abuse, amidst a climate of threats, fear, sexual harassment and intimidation marked by racism, misogyny, antisemitism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, and other expressions of hate and intolerance," it said.

"While convoy organizers claimed there was diversity among the participants and supporters, and that was true to a limited extent, it is clear that the overwhelming majority of people involved in the protests were white males."

People told this commission they were driven into by truck drivers, beaten, pushed, chased and threatened. Many felt they either had to remain inside their homes to stay safe from the noise, fumes and people taking up streets or leave the area altogether. »
U clearly live in lalaland .
No surprise from a Putin/trump praiser .
No idea wtf his talking about .
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02-13-2024 , 09:41 AM
It is pretty wild seeing the media coverage of the Lakewood Church mass shooter. If it wasn't for "right wing" X I would literally have no clue this person is trans. The media is just completely ignoring and obfuscating this. In fact, I am not even 100% sure they are trans, as they somehow have a 7 year old child.

At this point I assume right wing Twitter is telling the truth the media refuses to and the shooter is actually a trans biological male. But it is definitely possible (but not plausible) they are a biological female that uses male aliases. I really have no clue as the media is just obfuscating.



It is also being slow rolled by the media this person has a history of anti-semitism which may be involved in their motives (no surprise here the media would slow roll this).

As far as this alleged booking photo there is also the question how someone born in El Salvador with a hispanic last name is a white non-hispanic. Begs to question what the definition of hispanic is anyway.

There is also the small fact that a "hero with a gun" is the one that stopped the shooter before they were able to kill anyone, which obviously isn't convenient to left wing anti-gun narratives.

Truly bizarre story with many politics/society/culture war related subplots. There is about 10 different threads in this forum this story could go in as a discussion piece.
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02-13-2024 , 09:54 AM
5'9'' and 190 is a lot of pupusas.
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02-13-2024 , 09:54 AM
First media link for "Lakewood Church mass shooter" I found (BBC) indicates that the shooter was Hispanic and transgender. But I guess Kelhus is going to keep on lying.
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02-13-2024 , 10:25 AM
Just like the Nashville shooter the Media will wipe out the obvious
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02-13-2024 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
First media link for "Lakewood Church mass shooter" I found (BBC) indicates that the shooter was Hispanic and transgender. But I guess Kelhus is going to keep on lying.
Link to this BBC article? Like I said, I still am not sure they are actually trans. Right wing twitter will often report true things media obfuscates because it isn't convenient to the narrative; but they will also flat out say things that are not true. So anytime something is being reported on right wing twitter that you cant find any confirmation at all in the MSM, even with a lot of digging, there should be some trepidation.

Of course this is a big problem with having such a biased, compromised gatekeeper (the MSM). But that is another tangent altogether.



Also, do you think that booking photo where they are clearly listed as non-hispanic is fake?

This does segue into another "right wing X conspiracy" where it is alleged if someone of potentially ambiguous identity does something good they are black/brown, but if it is a crime or bad they are "white," to cook the books so to speak.

There is actually entire "right wing conspiracy" X handles that focus on showing booking photos of people who don't appear to be "white" by common understanding of the term who are listed as "white" by the justice system after committing a crime.

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02-13-2024 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
Link to this BBC article? Like I said, I still am not sure they are actually trans. Right wing twitter will often report true things media obfuscates because it isn't convenient to the narrative; but they will also flat out say things that are not true. So anytime something is being reported on right wing twitter that you cant find any confirmation at all in the MSM, even with a lot of digging, there should be some trepidation.

Of course this is a big problem with having such a biased, compromised gatekeeper (the MSM). But that is another tangent altogether.



Also, do you think that booking photo where they are clearly listed as non-hispanic is fake?

This does segue into another "right wing X conspiracy" where it is alleged if someone of potentially ambiguous identity does something good they are black/brown, but if it is a crime or bad they are "white," to cook the books so to speak.

There is actually entire "right wing conspiracy" X handles that focus on showing booking photos of people who don't appear to be "white" by common understanding of the term who are listed as "white" by the justice system after committing a crime.
BBC doesn't claim she is trans anymore because police investigated and saw her calling herself as a female in her social media history.

She used male aliases (no idea for what) and that is reported

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68277166
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02-13-2024 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain

Also, do you think that booking photo where they are clearly listed as non-hispanic is fake?
The police described her as a Hispanic female at their presser and I've seen no reporting that says otherwise, not that it's remotely relevant to the shooting. At least put some effort into these lies.
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02-13-2024 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
There is also the small fact that a "hero with a gun" is the one that stopped the shooter before they were able to kill anyone, which obviously isn't convenient to left wing anti-gun narratives.

Truly bizarre story with many politics/society/culture war related subplots. There is about 10 different threads in this forum this story could go in as a discussion piece.
Strangely enough, the most obvious discussion point is the one that you have chosen not to mention.
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02-13-2024 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
The police described her as a Hispanic female at their presser and I've seen no reporting that says otherwise, not that it's remotely relevant to the shooting. At least put some effort into these lies.
Imho it's relevant, if it's a biological female who gave birth to the child she brought with her and the church is linked to the divorce proceedings and the subsequent custody battle, then we can breath more comfortably because of no actual terrorist link.

I mean it's low probability to begin with, but if she is part of a terrorist cell there might be others; if she's just crazy that's basically it.
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02-13-2024 , 11:37 AM
The hero's with the guns were fully trained to use that gun as well .

I can only imagine the carnage if those two off duty police officers were not there
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02-13-2024 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Strangely enough, the most obvious discussion point is the one that you have chosen not to mention.
Having "Palestine" written on the gun? I think you can just lump that into the "antisemitic' bin (which I did mention) and move on. I would be surprised if this person could find Israel/Palestine on a map.

This is a veering slightly off topic, but of all the mentally ill/leftwing activist types that are suddenly interested in the Palestinian cause, I suspect there is very little actually enduring concern for the Palestinian people, or more generally the well-being of people thousands of miles away at all.

It is just the topic de jour of the hour that fits neatly into more general themes of anti-Western ideology; which ironically now includes being anti-semitic, because progressive ideology in 2024 considers Jews as avatars of the white oppressor class.
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02-13-2024 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Imho it's relevant, if it's a biological female who gave birth to the child she brought with her and the church is linked to the divorce proceedings and the subsequent custody battle, then we can breath more comfortably because of no actual terrorist link.

I mean it's low probability to begin with, but if she is part of a terrorist cell there might be others; if she's just crazy that's basically it.
By all accounts there is an extremely long history of mental illness and criminal behavior. Given this, I dont think it is really warranted to speculate too much there is some bigger conspiracy.
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02-13-2024 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
Having "Palestine" written on the gun?
That isn't the issue I had in mind.
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02-13-2024 , 12:22 PM
I guess I shouldn't be holding my breath waiting for the BBC article where it is reported the shooter was actually trans. As strange as it sounds, it seems this person might actually be a heterosexual biological female that sometimes uses male pseudonyms and identifies as male. So I guess falls in the "non-binary" bin.
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02-13-2024 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
By all accounts there is an extremely long history of mental illness and criminal behavior. Given this, I dont think it is really warranted to speculate too much there is some bigger conspiracy.
Ye but let investigators finish their job to be sure. Elements for now do not suggest terrorist cells are involved in any way i agree.
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02-13-2024 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
I guess I shouldn't be holding my breath waiting for the BBC article where it is reported the shooter was actually trans. As strange as it sounds, it seems this person might actually be a biological female that sometimes uses male pseudonyms and identifies as male. So I guess falls in the "non-binary" bin.
It's entirely possible for a transgender person to be an attempted mass shooter, but is there any evidence that this person was transgender (aside from using a male alias on occasion for whatever reason)?
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02-13-2024 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain

This is a veering slightly off topic, but of all the mentally ill/leftwing activist types that are suddenly interested in the Palestinian cause, I suspect there is very little actually enduring concern for the Palestinian people, or more generally the well-being of people thousands of miles away at all.

It is just the topic de jour of the hour that fits neatly into more general themes of anti-Western ideology; which ironically now includes being anti-semitic, because progressive ideology in 2024 considers Jews as avatars of the white oppressor class.
That actually has always been the case at least in europe.

the anti-semitism as well, because of the stereotypical "finance is the worst form of capitalism, and the jews control the banks" antisemite take
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02-13-2024 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
By all accounts there is an extremely long history of mental illness
This is the issue I had in mind. If people with long histories of mental illness didn't have such easy access to guns, then maybe the "good guys with guns" wouldn't be put in a position of having to shoot them.
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02-13-2024 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
This is the issue I had in mind. If people with long histories of mental illness didn't have such easy access to guns, then maybe the "good guys with guns" wouldn't be put in a position of having to shoot them.
or you know if having being arrested 6 times was enough to give up on the hope you are fixable...
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02-13-2024 , 03:36 PM
ZOMG it's not even been 48 hours and different media sources are giving different reports about the precise background of the shooter....CONSPIRACY!!!11!!!!11!!

Or, you know, it could be that a little patience is in order?
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02-13-2024 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Or, you know, it could be that a little patience is in order?
Why? If they can get away with constantly inventing conspiracy bullshit out of whole cloth, why should they ever stop?
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02-13-2024 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Why? If they can get away with constantly inventing conspiracy bullshit out of whole cloth, why should they ever stop?
yeah there are grifting dollars to be made in the meantime. who cares what the actual story ends up being
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