You need to learn some basic chemistry or just shut up.

Why don’t you enlighten me

Science has figured out that the relationship between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol isn't as strong as hypothesized a few decades ago. See here, here, and here for starters.

2 .gov links

This is circular reasoning imo..

Like I said earlier we can all find studies to support our claims. It’s up for debate and none of these studies are conclusive when there’s studies that say the exact opposite.

What’s your stance on subsidies?

Even if meat and dairy aren’t as bad as I say surely you don’t think subsidies are a good idea?

This study is also hosted on a .gov domain. Are you going to request a mod delete your post since you apparently do not lend credence to studies hosted by government TLDs?

You didn't read the studies. Should you read them and find them inadequate let me know and I'll provide you with more, and I'll make sure there aren't any .gov links - there is no shortage of data on this.

I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding subsidies -- corn and sugar in particular -- and believe they are but one part of the much larger issue that is corporate lobbying. I also think we should be scrutinizing the atrocious conditions factory farmed animals are subjected to at the hands of those receiving subsidies. But by spewing nonsense about acidity and cholesterol you are both derailing the thread and destroying your credibility.

So if you agree with me about subsidies and animal
Conditions then it’s time to vegan.

It’s amazing that you get that part but don’t see the propaganda and brainwashing that is the meat and dairy lobby since youth. You can’t conceive getting your protein from alternative sources.

Even if I’m wrong about acidity in food then that doesn’t change the fact I’m right about subsidies and right about a vegan diet.

Even if you are right about meat and dairy and they’re somehow better for you or not linked to any disease it still makes no sense to use animal products when there are plenty of alternatives. You simply have no excuse anymore. Unless you want to hide behind ignorance which I don’t think you can anymore seeing as how you are aware of the conditions of farm animals.

rj, I think a Vegan diet can be the right thing for some people. Your body, your choice. But you don't have to try to force it down people's throat. Pun intended.
But what do you think about mothers milk? Do you think woman should stop breastfeeding? Do you realize that if mother's didn't breast feed, we would have, over time, lost one not the most beautiful anatomical features of the whole universe?

Mothers milk is 100% vegan as long as it’s your own mother..

And ya I believe everyone should be free to do what they want until there is a victim involved. A voiceless victim at that.

Oh, I wasn't trying to change the subject or be clever. That was a subconscious freudean slip of poor word choice.

There is such a thing called wet nursing. It's been going on since the dawn of human existence. I am now starting to better understand some of the pushback.

Eating meat isn't a crime.

By your logic it's immoral to kill a living thing to eat ?

Correct morality does not equal legality

Now that we've established that this thread is actually not about subsidies or politics and is instead about OPs beliefs regarding veganism and his personal vendettas against people who are not vegan, can we move this to RGT?

If eating meat is immoral because it requires killing another living thing, where do you draw the line? Is it immoral to swat a fly? To spray bleach in the toilet?

Plants are living too. In fact you eat fresh fruit and veggies while they're still alive.

Central nervous system... or sentience

Sugar subsidies have also been established as bad and sugar is vegan...

The meat and dairy lobby are just the two biggest offenders...

If tobacco received subsidies people would be up and arms. I just think meat and dairy aren’t as obvious to the masses.

Central nervous system... this is probably the 500th time someone has thought they were witty with ya but veggies are alive and you murder them!

NO they don’t have pain receptors and a nervous system that could feel pain.

Meanwhile a pig has the sentience of a toddler so if you wouldn’t kill a toddler you shouldn’t kill a pig that might feel the same amount of pain.

Spend enough time around them and you can start to wonder how well we truly have that nailed down

Not enough time in the year.

Yet against this vast conspiracy to make us ill, life expectancy has gone up nearly every year since WW2.

How do you know what they feel or don't feel ?
They experience a life cycle. They are living by any definition of what it means to be alive and you can certainly kill them (terminate their life cycle).

If you're going to stake out a moral position and then carve out a niche that suits you personally you're not actually staking out a moral position.

you're just being self righteous.

Part of the conspiracy is that they want to keep us alive longer paying big pharma... but that’s too much of a derail

Central nervous system. It’s not a hard concept.

Not sure why you’re derailing thread with semantics.

Are you against subsidies or you really think people’s tax dollars should go to this?

Diet studies are horrible for biases as you can search for any confirmation bias you are looking for and find 'paid for' or 'advocacy' research supporting it.

The only way to really sift it is by looking at the aggregate reviews of all the data.

And one thing that is really not in dispute is that overwhelming the Mediterranean Diet, which has small amounts of meat and dairy, and seafood and nuts, olives and veg is the king when it comes to diet.

Year over year over year, in aggregates of hundreds of nutritional professionals it is always at the top.

Yes quantity and quality of meat matters. And seafood meat >> than land meat generally. BUt meat and dairy are part of a healthy diet. The 'healthiest' diet.

And people in regions where the mediterranean diet is the focus live the longest on the planet.