I dont care about the attacks either. just funny to be called a propagandist considering how the media in this country acts wrt to Cuba.

Unlike Commies, I am a big fan of free speech.

look at what propaganda has done to your ability to recognize reality.

anyway, most Republicans say they support free speech. but when they see a BLM peaceful protest they want to the cops to throw them in jail for life and the right to run over them with their car.

so lets just say, I dont believe you. I dont think you are lying in this instance tho. you just havent been exposed to anything but pro-America and anti-Cuba propaganda for however old you are.

I am sure its quite comforting to trust our govt and our media. kinda wish I did sometimes.

If you think that I trust our government and media, you haven't been paying attention.

Republicans typically support free speech for people who agree with them. Same with Democrats.

Serious question: Can you name a Communist country where I could stand on a street corner and publicly criticize the government? How about handing out leaflets criticizing the government? I can do all those things here in America.

Second Serious Question: Has a leader of a Communist country ever been impeached? I suspect an "impeachment" in a Communist country would involve a coup. (A real one, not the one we had in America in January.)

you can do those things sometimes here.

but like, werent there recently high profile anti-gov protests in Cuba? btw, how many people got arrested? how violent did the police act? compare that with USA protests in 2020.

ya usually they get murdered by the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende

In order to make a valid comparison between the US protests and the Cuba protests, I'd first need to learn how many businesses were looted and/or burned down in Cuba and how many in the US. Would you like me to research those numbers, or would you like to do it?

"Why are there still poor people in Cuba after sixty years of Communism?"

That really stuck out to me

Because I still wonder why there are still poor people in USA after 250 years of capitalism?

Open the damn Cuba thread back up!!!

The Mostly Peaceful Protests in Minneapolis resulted in over 200 buildings being damaged. The estimated damage-related costs as a result of the Mostly Peaceful Protests in Minneapolis is estimated at around $55M.

The good news is that the Mostly Peaceful Protests in Portland only resulted in a loss of around $23M in damages and lost business.

Laggy it seems you are making his point though. That the US, both in terms of simmering feelings of injustice that lead to protests that then lead to opportunists looting is in fact worse than Cuba.

That the citizen resentment/lack of satisfaction/agner at gov't, is greater in the US.

if looters burn down a building 5 miles away from peaceful protesters then why should 100s of people get rounded up?

but its cool that you support violent suppression of legal protest. pretty quick to drop those freeze peach ideals I guess.

I think it is pretty clear that e d has digested beyond his ability to reconsider anti Cuba, anti communism rhetoric. The idea that it automatically equals the ultimate bad and no other considerations can even make other societies a contender.

I see the other parties discussing this able to take a more nuanced (good and bad in Costa Rica, Brazil, etc) view that suggest comparison on some areas and over all is certainly something that can be debated.

And that is not uncommon. Many American's, especially if you are older, have been propagandized against Castro and Cuba their entire lives.

As a Canadian I have been able to see a more nuanced view from Canada and ot visit and as someone who has lived in America you can see how very tainted the lens from that vantage point is. I don't think you can blame anyone in the US for not being able to see around the lens.


And none of that is an argument that Cuba or Castro is/was good but certainly the idea that it is laughable to even debate if anyone, in any station in life would choose it over other locals is terribly myopic and just such 'USA' centric and believing that is naive.

There is a sizeable Canadian ex Pat community who gladly opted to move and live there. Most would be middle class, typically with small pensions and decent but modest savings who want their retirement dollars to stretch further and they absolutely do consider many S.American and other popular destinations for that step. Equador currently has been a big choice for that type of Canadian.

So the choice being mocked as one that is not a choice by e a, is being made all the time by a people (Canadians) who have an abundance of choice.

So the blanket idea that there is no choice or debate here is just naïve but it is very common amongst people in the US due to that lens, as you need to break out what segments of the population you are talking about. if you are younger and in your working year, and yearn for more, then Cuba certainly is not your place. An ability for a foreigner, or even local to break out from the pack, earnings wise is near impossible unless you are in the party apparatus. But outside that group that prioritize their earning potential you would find many people willingly choosing Cuba.

why the f would you want to hand out leaflets, when you can create a f massacre by shooting the crap out of people- or storm the capitol/s

I mean that's we see in the happening in the states. Both sides are extreme and somewhere in the middle probably the sweet spot.

lol you report my posts.

People aren’t making ridiculous claims like “you would choose living in the US over England, Germany, Aus, Canada etc ” because it’s obvious plenty of people wouldn’t. Just like with Cuba and it’s peers

As long as you're a mostly harmless crank. Actually start making any kinda headway/organizing/be perceived as any kinda threat etc and you'll have the feds all over you for real.

I'm pro-protest, anti-looting and anti-burning.

Real protests don't involve the looting and burning of the businesses of your fellow citizens. Burning and looting is evil, not protesting.

As usual, I have no idea what you're babbling about.

Down goes Trolly! Down goes Trolly! Down goes Trolly!

Point of Information: I haven't reported any Trolly posts for a long time.

Give the cubans more freedoms and take some idiot freedoms from the americans. freedoms that cause more harm than good i.e.

How about giving everybody, everywhere more freedom?

That was kewl! Thanks for sharing.