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07-25-2021 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
i've spent a fair amount of time in Cuba over the years. Mostly in Holguín, which is the 4th biggest city but not a tourist haven. You really can and do mix with the locals there.

I proposed to my (now ex) wife there in the midst of a neighbourhood, New Years block party we were invited to by locals. The proposal (very visible as I did it on a stage area in the midst of the block party in front of maybe 400 people) was just extra reason for the locals to extend their hands to us and make us feel even more welcome.

It is one of the most memorable experiences of my life and my ex says the same.

it is true that they are amongst the generally happiest and most content people you will hang out with.

The biggest issue you see amongst the people generally is that the tourism industry creates some great disparities due to tips. The value of getting paid US dollars as tips meant that many trained 'doctors', 'engineers' opted to try and get jobs in resorts or drive taxi's where they could make a lot more that way. It really distorted the labour market.

Cuba tried to deal with that a couple ways but both failed. At one point they tried to ban tipping with a mild threat that tourists tipping could be charged or arrested. Ouch, they learned quick that those US dollars coming in to the economy where really vital for the economy so they stopped discouraging tipping. Second they passed a law that all tips received had to be submitted to the gov't for more fair and equitable redistribution amongst all citizens (after gov't officials combed a few points off first) but of course the tourism workers just took that money even further unground and it was not pursued.

Where I would advise someone to live, if they had to choose between Brazil, Costa Rica, Panama, etc would depend on the person and their ambitions.

You could simply plop anyone in to Cuba and I think they would be instantly embraced by the locals and be able to live amongst them at that low level. So if they did not have ambitions to escape that life and achieve more it would be an ok place to live. If you could carry any modest wealth with you (middleclass US pension or Retirement funds), you could live very well anywhere on the island.

if you have bigger ambitions than best to choose any of the S.America countries. Somewhere like Equador now. And again with any modest US passive income (pension, etc) you could live well but you would not generally be as safe and potentially welcomed everywhere. You need to pick your spots more.

Cuba and Barbados, in my experience are two of the safest 'anywhere' islands. Safer than Canada and especially the US for a wanderlust who does not pay attention to surroundings and might end up on the wrong side of the tracks while seeking out interactions with locals.
Thanks for sharing this. I was anticipating some stories about Cuban cigars, Cuban rum, possibly stories about coke and rum and hookers. What's possible there now? I heard that cubans are now allowed to travel and buy property.
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07-25-2021 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
That was kewl! Thanks for sharing.
Yeah, the Hoff. He honesty thinks he brought down the iron curtain single handedly with that video/song.

This is what freedom looks like in America now apparently. Shop owners get robbed, its getting really bad:



Or in L.A attacks by mentally ill homeless are getting common.

The report is a bit disgusting but it's all happening.

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07-25-2021 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Yeah, the Hoff. He honesty thinks he brought down the iron curtain single handedly with that video/song.

This is what freedom looks like in America now apparently. Shop owners get robbed, its getting really bad:



Or in L.A attacks by mentally ill homeless are getting common.

The report is a bit disgusting but it's all happening.

At least Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) has the good sense to not even live in the district that she represents.

full disclosure: Her beautiful home used to be in her district, but re-districting placed it in a different district. I think she has a couple of other homes, but either they are not in the district she represents or they are in a part of her district not sufficiently luxurious for her and her husband.

I'm sure Rep. Pelosi, et. al. are enjoying their posh living while regular folk are suffering.
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07-25-2021 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
At least Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) has the good sense to not even live in the district that she represents.

full disclosure: Her beautiful home used to be in her district, but re-districting placed it in a different district. I think she has a couple of other homes, but either they are not in the district she represents or they are in a part of her district not sufficiently luxurious for her and her husband.

I'm sure Rep. Pelosi, et. al. are enjoying their posh living while regular folk are suffering.
I thought that is what all politicians do. Pelosi I honestly don't know wtf she is doing. She seems too old for politics in fact any job as she is 80? seems to come from a family of politicians. She is Italian American, so I am assuming her family was connected? I don't know anything else about her other than she's one of your big kahunas.
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07-25-2021 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Costa Rica, Uruguay, Panama, Brazil.... there are plenty.

And it's a completely idiotic question. I'd rather live in Saudi Arabia for 10 years than plenty of places in the Middle East or Latin America. That doesn't mean the government there isn't god awful.
Since you were pointing fingers at Cuba for violations of human rights, what about Saudi Arabia?
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07-25-2021 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Lol dude, no offense but if it's news to you that Cuba is always on watch lists for human rights violations maybe this isn't a conversation you are knowledgeable enough to participate in.
Not knowledgeable enough? I know as much as anyone about Cuba, maybe slightly more since it is of interest to me and I don't think i have ever heard about violations of human rights in Cuba. Logic dictates that, but we dont hear about it too often in the news. Could the reason for that be that the cubans are generally happy? Yeah we know the people have it bad, but bad as in bad as Saudia Arabia? What about the women that get abused every day? Or what about the people that they bomb?

On the other hand, we hear constantly about human right violations in Saudi Arabia. And these must be 100x worse than what the Cubans do. Which you seem to ignore or not even mention. Im calling bs here.

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07-25-2021 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
I thought that is what all politicians do. Pelosi I honestly don't know wtf she is doing. She seems too old for politics in fact any job as she is 80?
Back to babbling nonsense again, I see.

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seems to come from a family of politicians. She is Italian American, so I am assuming her family was connected? I don't know anything else about her other than she's one of your big kahunas.
Huh???
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07-25-2021 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
I thought that is what all politicians do. Pelosi I honestly don't know wtf she is doing. She seems too old for politics in fact any job as she is 80? seems to come from a family of politicians. She is Italian American, so I am assuming her family was connected? I don't know anything else about her other than she's one of your big kahunas.
I agree with you that Ms.Pelosi is one of our "big kahunas." I mean, her being Speaker of the House, and all.

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07-25-2021 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Back to babbling nonsense again, I see.



Huh???
She is 81 years old. That's retirement age from where I come from. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi

She is old money, her family was big in politics for generations. If you know something about history you should know that the mob had some kind of power over politicians esp in NY and Chicago, right? She is from an Italian family... you babbling nonsense thats all just a hunch but I did some research just so you can't say im babbeling nonsense now and found this.

Fbi files on pelosis
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...opics/15834480

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/na...-crime-family/

https://247sports.com/college/west-v...631847/?page=1

Well anyways I'm on my internet break now. Too many people babbling too much nonsense...

Have a good one!
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07-25-2021 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
She is 81 years old. That's retirement age from where I come from. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi
You claimed that she was too old for any job. And what does "retirement age" mean, anyway? Some people retire at 55, and some people never retire.

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She is old money, her family was big in politics for generations. If you know something about history you should know that the mob had some kind of power over politicians esp in NY and Chicago, right? She is from an Italian family... you babbling nonsense thats all just a hunch but I did some research just so you can't say im babbeling nonsense now and found this.

Fbi files on pelosis
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...opics/15834480

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/na...-crime-family/

https://247sports.com/college/west-v...631847/?page=1
I'll check out your links. And I consider the stereotyping of nationalities as a case of babbling. But, maybe that's just me.

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Well anyways I'm on my internet break now. Too many people babbling too much nonsense...

Have a good one!
Have a good day, sir!
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07-25-2021 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
She is 81 years old. That's retirement age from where I come from. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi
I had no idea she was that old. LOL octogenarians.
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07-25-2021 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
I had no idea she was that old. LOL octogenarians.
And yet she doesn't look a day over 79-and-a-half.
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07-25-2021 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Since you were pointing fingers at Cuba for violations of human rights, what about Saudi Arabia?
Perhaps we can discuss human rights violations in Saudi Arabia in the Mass Protests Break Out in Saudi Arabia thread.
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07-26-2021 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
I had no idea she was that old. LOL octogenarians.
They really need an upper age limit for Congress and the SC.

Pelosi's cognitive decline is far greater than Biden and even Trump's but few talk about it out of fear of being criticized for being mean to women.

Bill Mahar calls my type of comment 'the last allowed bigotry... old-ageism' but that is wrong as they get to keep their jobs, they just don't get to escape rightful critique. It is young people who the system is prejudiced against. Why can you run for POTUS at age 80+ but not age 34? Sure some 34 year old's are not mature enough just as some 80+ are not competent. Let the voter sort them out, if you are going to allow no limits at the top end.

One of Old peoples greatest fears, as they age is losing their purpose, their social group, and their reason to get up every morning. That is why you see these octogenarians cling on to these jobs long beyond they should.
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07-26-2021 , 10:04 AM
^This

When my grandmother was 80 I could not imagine her being in the shark cage of politics.
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07-26-2021 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
They really need an upper age limit for Congress and the SC.
+1 on SC. Voters can vote an oldster out, so no upper age limit for Congress.

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Pelosi's cognitive decline is far greater than Biden and even Trump's but few talk about it out of fear of being criticized for being mean to women.
I could be wrong, but I doubt that that is the reason for the lack of criticism.

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Bill Mahar calls my type of comment 'the last allowed bigotry... old-ageism' but that is wrong as they get to keep their jobs, they just don't get to escape rightful critique. It is young people who the system is prejudiced against. Why can you run for POTUS at age 80+ but not age 34? Sure some 34 year old's are not mature enough just as some 80+ are not competent. Let the voter sort them out, if you are going to allow no limits at the top end.
My belief is that if someone is old enough to be a soldier, then that person is old enough to run for President.

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One of Old peoples greatest fears, as they age is losing their purpose, their social group, and their reason to get up every morning. That is why you see these octogenarians cling on to these jobs long beyond they should.
This!!!

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07-26-2021 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
You claimed that she was too old for any job. And what does "retirement age" mean, anyway? Some people retire at 55, and some people never retire.

I'll check out your links. And I consider the stereotyping of nationalities as a case of babbling. But, maybe that's just me.

Have a good day, sir!
Official retirement age in Europe is 63 or 64 fwiw.

Im not stereotypical when I say the mafia had some kind of power, probably still has. And I love the Italians, I just found out that half of my family came from Italy. But to say the italians were not involved in some crrazy stuff is wrong too. The Vatican and the mafia did some crazy ****, look at vegas history.

Anyways I don't trust Pelosi when she says her 100M + fortune came from her husband investing heavily into Facebook and Apple etc. She definetly is lying there imo.

And her brother was involved in a rape: reddit is going nuts over this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/...ments_view_all

'Organized crime cannot exist without public corruption"

'Jfk ordered the fbi to investigate her father'

https://amp.reddit.com/r/Mafia/comme...re_mafia_ties/
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07-26-2021 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Official retirement age in Europe is 63 or 64 fwiw.

Im not stereotypical when I say the mafia had some kind of power, probably still has. And I love the Italians, I just found out that half of my family came from Italy. But to say the italians were not involved in some crrazy stuff is wrong too. The Vatican and the mafia did some crazy ****, look at vegas history.
But it is stereotypical to imply that an Italian-American in politics "probably" has ties to the Mafia.

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Anyways I don't trust Pelosi when she says her 100M + fortune came from her husband investing heavily into Facebook and Apple etc. She definetly is lying there imo.
I don't trust Ms. Pelosi either. But then, I don't trust hardly any politician in either party.

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And her brother was involved in a rape: reddit is going nuts over this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/...ments_view_all
Well, if "reddit is going nuts" over something, I'm all over it! (Yes, I'm being sarcastic again.)

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'Organized crime cannot exist without public corruption"
Well said!

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'Jfk ordered the fbi to investigate her father'

https://amp.reddit.com/r/Mafia/comme...re_mafia_ties/
Will check out that link, too. Thanks for sharing it.
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07-26-2021 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
But it is stereotypical to imply that an Italian-American in politics "probably" has ties to the Mafia.

I don't trust Ms. Pelosi either. But then, I don't trust hardly any politician in either party.

Well, if "reddit is going nuts" over something, I'm all over it! (Yes, I'm being sarcastic again.)

Well said!

Will check out that link, too. Thanks for sharing it.
Sure, check out this link too: https://archives.simplelists.com/nfu/msg/15865845/

'President Kennedy Asked the FBI to Look Into Speaker Pelosi’s Father for Connections to the Mob – Documents Quietly Released Last Week Confirm This'

To be fair, trump was also tied to the mafia.
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07-26-2021 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
They really need an upper age limit for Congress and the SC.

Pelosi's cognitive decline is far greater than Biden and even Trump's but few talk about it out of fear of being criticized for being mean to women.

Bill Mahar calls my type of comment 'the last allowed bigotry... old-ageism' but that is wrong as they get to keep their jobs, they just don't get to escape rightful critique. It is young people who the system is prejudiced against. Why can you run for POTUS at age 80+ but not age 34? Sure some 34 year old's are not mature enough just as some 80+ are not competent. Let the voter sort them out, if you are going to allow no limits at the top end.

One of Old peoples greatest fears, as they age is losing their purpose, their social group, and their reason to get up every morning. That is why you see these octogenarians cling on to these jobs long beyond they should.
is Pelosi that bad? I had not noticed. you may be thinking of Feinstein whose staffers have been talking **** about her saying she forgets things after approx 30s.
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07-26-2021 , 11:17 AM
In terms of decline, which would be defined as a 'clear identifiable downward slope from their younger self to their current self' I think Pelosi shows the worst, Trump the next, and Biden the least.

When you pull up broad spectrum of videos of their younger selves speaking and compare that to what you see now, it is hard not to see Pelosi as the worst of those 3.

Pelosi in 2007 when first elected to Speaker



I don't even need to pull up a current one as I don't think anyone could cherry pick any interview or speech with her now that does not show the decline. Any random YouTube video would do.
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07-26-2021 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Not knowledgeable enough? I know as much as anyone about Cuba, maybe slightly more since it is of interest to me and I don't think i have ever heard about violations of human rights in Cuba.
How Trump like!

Your knowledge of Cuba is very poor if you are unfamiliar with their human rights violations and the authoritarian nature of their single party government.

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On the other hand, we hear constantly about human right violations in Saudi Arabia. And these must be 100x worse than what the Cubans do. Which you seem to ignore or not even mention. Im calling bs here.
This isn't a Saudi Arabia thread and the claim I made about Saudi was much weaker than the one you made on Cuba, done to illustrate a purpose that went over your head. I said I would rather go to or live in Saudi Arabia than some of the nations in it's region like Yemen. The government in Saudi is awful and perpetuates many human rights violations but it's relatively safe. That's an analogue of Cuba which you were laughably claiming anybody would choose over any other country in central or south america.
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07-26-2021 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
How Trump like!

Your knowledge of Cuba is very poor if you are unfamiliar with their human rights violations and the authoritarian nature of their single party government.



This isn't a Saudi Arabia thread and the claim I made about Saudi was much weaker than the one you made on Cuba, done to illustrate a purpose that went over your head. I said I would rather go to or live in Saudi Arabia than some of the nations in it's region like Yemen. The government in Saudi is awful and perpetuates many human rights violations but it's relatively safe. That's an analogue of Cuba which you were laughably claiming anybody would choose over any other country in central or south america.
A. If you lived in jemen you would get bombed and probably killed by the sauds. (On accident)

B. Saudi Arabia is only a safe county because they have all the power and the weapons. They abuse that power greatly.

C. My anology went over your head. I wouldn't really pick Cuba over any other country in Latin America. I probably wouldn't consider any country there. But if i had to it would be one of the safest options. I only made that argument to show you how relatively good of a country it is, despite all that.

This thread is about Cuba, and you're right the gov sucks and has major problems. I never liked the Castro's fwiw. Of course I knew the flaws of that system.

The crazy thing is, they are probably better off than people in Haiti or some other place.
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07-26-2021 , 04:20 PM
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I wouldn't really pick Cuba over any other country in Latin America.
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You would take Cuba over any other Latin American country if you had to live in it. f hypocrates.
Maybe get your story straight first.
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07-26-2021 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Maybe get your story straight first.
Dream on! That ain't gonna happen. Washoe kinda all over the map in virtually every thread he posts in.
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