Curious to know what people here think about this, both from an ethical pov aswell as a scientific pov.

Not sure how much folks have thought about it considering it is something that could never happen.

Something like

'everyone on this spinning rock is required to'

or

'if you wanna play high school lacrosse, you are required to'

?

Being against mandatory vaccination is too be for natural selection isn’t ?
I like it .
Live by the sword (convictions) die by the sword .

Maybe in the land of the free it could never happen but where I live its a possibility as stated by a representative of the ministry of health and confirmed by law professors.

No.

I'm all for it being a condition of entry in various settings, and if people don't want to take it, they can go back to chewing straw and playing the banjo.

The Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. You're claiming it "appears to be unsafe", but I'm not sure on what basis? The phase 3 trial was paused after one participant fell ill, it was fully investigated, and the trial resumed. This seems to be SOP, unless you know something I don't?

I think it is reasonable that people would question anything Trump hurls out there before the election, as he would be happy to put hydroxy, silver, Lysol and a bit of Scope (for that minty fresh element) in a syringe and call it a vaccine and have Dr "Herd mentality not immunity" Atlas endorse it if he thinks that will help his election chances.

I think once Trump is booted and a vaccine is properly developed then applying some protocols to it like is done with other established vaccines may be in order, like kids needing it to go to school etc. Anti-vaxxers will always be anti-vaxxers who revel in the comeback of measles and polio, but they should be ignored for the most part.

@Monteroy No1 mentioned Trump. Mandatory vacinnation is probably not possible under US constitution (not sure about this).
What do you think of the morality of making it mandatory?
In my country, the government has already bought (or pre ordered) 6 million vaccines which will be given to the population for free. Its also been said that they might be mandatory.

As the liberals say...

My body my choice

You can't force people to have it from either a moral or a legal perspective I would presume. Unless you're in china or something. But, I would imagine, private companies would be well within their rights to make it a condition of entry. For example, you cannot board this flight unless you've had the vaccine. You cannot eat in this restaurant unless you've had the vaccine. Let the free market decide.

The "my body my choice" argument is compelling for me above everything else. You just have to accept the consequences. Like, I'm sure women who've had an abortion accept that they'll never be able to join whatever religion thinks they're heretics for doing so.

It could happen but it's not a great idea

What may well happen if this goes on long enough (and may be a good idea) is not letting those without 'vaccinated or exempt' certificates from doing lots of stuff - public transport, many restaurants, pubs, shops, working in care homes/hospitals/schools/etc and so on.

Trump changes the math on normal vaccine reactions as he is willing and potentially able to push something that is not ready for his political reasons. A lot of people will want to pass on something he pushes that might normally accept a properly developed vaccine, and that may have an impact on vaccine acceptance in general.

In Canada certain vaccines need to be had for kids to go to school for instance. As I said before, I do not have issues with those types of conditions for a properly vetted vaccine, and if this is one that goes through that process then add it to that list. If it is Trump hurling snake oil in October - pass on whatever hot mess that is and wait for something proper.

Yeah I did do a bit of googling and see that there was a second case, but can't find anything to suggest that it was the same disorder? First case was undiagnosed MS, the second they're not positive but seems unlikely to be related? Do you have any decent literature to point me to?

I mean of course if the vaccine doesnt get out of trials then it wont be available to the public so it won't be mandatory regardless! Well, in sensible countries that don't have elections later this year, anyway.

Isn't that what the conservatives say?

There's a real concern but you are way too definitive about it.

It is definitely unclear. Anyone claiming a high degree of certainty is, to a significant extent, making it up.

FDA are the only ones not continuing at the moment and they are asking for more information. Possibly worthwhile realising that this request wont be because some scientist has raised a specific clinical concern. It will be procedural, which doesn't mean there's no problem of course.

Sorry, I was referring to this

I may have read it more strongly than you intended

Ok, anyways, to draw a line under this from my perspective, I assume the original question was regarding a safe vaccine that has passed all clinical trials.

There is a reason no-one is even talking about, let alone queueing up for, the Russian vaccine.

I'm more in favor of "right to vaccine" than "mandatory vaccines", in other words that certain vaccinations become absolute citizen rights, combined with "opt out" programs for children through the schoolyears (age dependent based on the vaccination in question).

Of course it hinges on trust in medical authorities, which is why you can get the ironic outcome that lower trust in medical authorities might necessitate a higher degree of mandatory vaccination for critical diseases.

My view is largely results-based, I favor the approach because it reaches high amount of vaccination while also requiring the government to inform. Purely mandatory programs carry a higher risk of creating distrust, and I think trust is more important for high coverage than using the legal sledgehammer.

I trust Oxford university, but yeah, if I were american i'd definitely be worried about the politicisation of any vaccine. Just as I would if I were russian and being offered putin's vaccine.

+1

If a COVID-19 vaccine is mandatory, the Conspiracy-Industrial Complex will go into full attack mode.

If the government strongly urges people to take the vaccine, but doesn't make it mandatory, pretty much only the Anti-Vaxxers will be hysterical.

Considering that there are people who can't get vaccination because of their physical condition I think it would be difficult to have a mandatory for covid vaccination. In case of a mandatory there must be exceptions and a way for people to prove that they can't get a vaccination.