THE CRUELTY IS THE POINT!

The coming climate apocalypse will displace billions with a B of people. They will be desperately fleeing for their lives and they will be heading here. If a few million climate refugees has elicited this response think what a few billion will do. TPTB are testing just how much cruelty we will accept in order to keep our lives largely the same. Very soon every wealthy country will be a fortress against the incoming "hordes" and we'll have no choice but to kill or incarcerate in concentration camps tens or hundreds of millions of people. We are beta testing that future right now and it turns out no one really gives a **** so they're going to have carte blanche in their response. Obviously alongside this will be a concomitant increase in internal surveillance and restriction. When the planet can only support 1 billion or less, people even in the west are going to have to be rounded up and gotten rid of. The internal fascist state is a logical accompaniment to the outward facing fascism currently being implemented.

A lot of citations needed here and I’m trying to be charitable.

This is nonsense.
Chinese Economic Reform

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The Chinese economic reform (simplified Chinese: 改革开放; traditional Chinese: 改革開放; pinyin: Gǎigé kāifàng; literally: 'reform and opening-up'; known in the West as the Opening of China) refers to the program of economic reforms termed "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" and "socialist market economy" in the People's Republic of China (PRC) which reformists within the Communist Party of China—led by Deng Xiaoping—started in 18 December 1978.

Before the reforms, the Chinese economy was dominated by state ownership and central planning. From 1950 to 1973, Chinese real GDP per capita grew at a rate of 2.9% per year on average, albeit with major fluctuations stemming from the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. This placed it near the middle of the Asian nations during the same period,[1] with neighboring capitalist countries such as Japan, South Korea and rival Chiang Kai-shek's Republic of China outstripping the PRC's rate of growth.[2] Starting in 1970, the economy entered into a period of stagnation,[3] and after Mao's death, the Communist Party leadership turned to market-oriented reforms to salvage the failing economy.[4]

The Communist Party authorities carried out the market reforms in two stages. The first stage, in the late 1970s and early 1980s, involved the de-collectivization of agriculture, the opening up of the country to foreign investment, and permission for entrepreneurs to start businesses. However, most industry remained state-owned. The second stage of reform, in the late 1980s and 1990s, involved the privatization and contracting out of much state-owned industry and the lifting of price controls, protectionist policies, and regulations, although state monopolies in sectors such as banking and petroleum remained. The private sector grew remarkably, accounting for as much as 70 percent of China's gross domestic product by 2005.[5] From 1978 until 2013, unprecedented growth occurred, with the economy increasing by 9.5% a year. The conservative Hu Jintao's administration regulated and controlled the economy more heavily after 2005, reversing some reforms.[6]

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History of the Transistor

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The Transistor was Invented in 1948 at Bell Telephone Laboratories

The invention of the transistor was an unprecedented development in the electronics industry. It marked the beginning of the current age in the electronics sector. After the transistor's invention, advances in technology became more frequent, the most notable of which was computer technology. The three physicists who invented the transistor; William Shockley, John Bardeen, and Walter Brattain were awarded with the Nobel Prize. Considering the inventions that the transistor paved the way for, one could argue that it was the most important invention of the twentieth century

William Shockley

Walter Brattain

John Bardeen

Yes, and tame_deuces wrote a good followup (and correctly pointed out that I mixed up ICE and CBP in the OP).

I do think the consequences of these sorts of problems are unlikely to be anywhere near as severe outside of law enforcement contexts.

But the reason I quoted you was to extend your point in response to those asking about open borders (so this is really to them). The OP is not an argument for open borders and there's nothing in the WaPo article which suggests a choice between either the status quo and open borders. After all, border patrol could have just told them they crossed an international border and then sent them back to Canada immediately.

More context:

I'm not terribly surprised that there may be more to the story than the couple claimed in WaPo, and it should be noted for the sake of getting the story right.

Of course it also ties into the point about justifying some of these actions on the grounds of people being criminal, which is still problematic in my view. Which is to the point of the previous post: I don't have a problem with denying them entry or deporting them if there are good reasons for that. But it matters how long people are kept in custody, due process rights matter, treatment and conditions matter, and so on.

Kelhus and tame_deuces are the only posters who are actually responding to the issue that well named is flagging.

I would add the following observations. First, dehumanization is a common response when people are in positions where they are forced to deal with, or even impose, human suffering. For example, you see it often in police officers and prison guards, very often in soldiers, and occasionally in medical professionals.

Second, the effects of routinization extend even wider. People who participate in long-running financial frauds often report that the fraud began to seem like a normal job, especially as the months and years added up with no apparent consequences. You probably see a similar phenomenon with cheating spouses.

There's not much to respond to on that issue. As long as you detain and exert control over people, stuff like Abu Ghraib is going to occur. The only way we can completely avoid those type of abuses, even to a lesser extent than Abu Ghraib, is not to incarcerate anybody. That's not practical.

The only answer is to exert oversight over the the detention of humans, and punish those who engage in that type of behavior. With that said, it takes special set of circumstances for people to participate in torture, that's unlikely to occur across an entire organization as big as the immigration authorities, but rather happens at specific camps, or facilities, where that type environment is allowed to percolate.

Finally, being incarcerated just sucks, your liberty is completely stripped from you. Nothing you can do about that, and it's going to suck, no matter what. Even the most cozy jails suck.

This is pretty much the societal model for the developing world today. What you are describing is the historical norm for how human societies operate, especially in time of stress.

Liberal western society of today is the historical exception, and to anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of history/sociology/evolutionary psychology it should come as no surprise that in times of stress, societies will have a strong compulsion to default back into historical norms.

While crossing a border is a criminal and not a civil matter, the penal method is at odds with basic human nature. Attempted social engineering using criminal penal methods for a civil matter is plainly discreditable. Leave those people be. No expertise required.

I totally agree with this. It's disgusting that a 3 month old was assigned to sleep on the floor, among many other things.

Good stuff. I feel like this relates to the general problem of de-localization. The people around us become nameless, faceless. Police powers need to be kept local. I almost want to say they shouldn't be flying anyone anywhere when arrested.

It's also kind of annoying that Canada wouldn't take them back. Like that would have averted this problem - not that Canada's failure justifies their maltreatment. It doesn't. It also looks like they were trying to enter the U.S. illegally. That does not justify the abuse either.

You are reading my post sideways because you disagree with it and then making my own points.

3 of those profiles you linked were born OUTSIDE the USA are the transistor is a key component in how a computer works (ldo).

Whether China has prospered more or less under capitalism is aside from my point and literally figures published by the Chinese government should be taken with a grain of salt. Japan and South Korea were involved war efforts of WWII and have also been rebuilding since this period (this is somewhat summarizing due to the Korean conflict).

Also I don't have to post a buttload of citations when I post a citation in response someone's grandiose claim about world leading corporations like AT&T. AT&T Communications seems to be responsible for $140b of the $170b revenue for AT&T in 2018. And thats as much homework I'll do on the topic!

It's not all about the money, bro.

Is this your area of expertise?

Is what my area of expertise?

Financial fraud & cheating spouses

Do you guys know about Cop City in Atlanta?

It's a $90M training facility, requiring the clearance of 300 acres of weelaunee forest, designed to train cops in urban warfare and the general suppression of dissent and protests. They've already killed one protestor.

Only $30M appears to be directly from public funds, the rest from the APF, which has representatives from Home Depot, Atlanta Hawks, Delta, and Coca-Cola.

There's going to be significant environmental impact.

https://afsc.org/news/5-things-you-n...sland%20effect.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/lette...est-in-atlanta