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08-05-2019 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
The WaPo sports section has more virulent hate speech than that.
It's not hard to admit defeat in a argument. I do it sometimes. Usually about pretty minor points but sometimes. Perhaps this is your way of going about that?
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08-05-2019 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus999
Ok, just for the record this is the kind of speech that Wookie, Fly et al. are so ambivalent about. This is in the first few minutes of the full video, and so far is all directed at Native American marchers. The Covington kids haven't even entered stage left yet.

•To black kid walking by-- When you get old enough they are going to steal your organs. Get Out ****** (pun intended I am sure)
•To native American girl- You’re not supposed to worship eagles, buffalos, animals. This is the reason God took your land. You’re not an Indian, Indian means savage. This is the problem Israel.
•Long soliloquy directed at native American girl- Its always our women coming up with their loud mouth, thinking they can come and distract things with their loud ass mouth because they aint used to dealing with no real men. And you think we are supposed to bow down to your damn emotions. You coming to run your mouth to distract what we doing instead of coming with order.
•To white kid standing around watching - Look at Lord Billy. Lord corny ass Billy Bob.
•To older Native American woman who looks ethnically Caucasian – Listen, you a $5 Indian. You aint no child of God. You are the devil. You are a fake damn $5 Indian. Go that way. You aren’t our people. You want to take our culture. You’re a culture vulture. You a damn blue eyed demon.

-For the record none of the Indians seemed particularly pleased about being confronted with such hate speech. One could even say they seemed critical. I guess they didn't get the memo that its just some crazy old men saying silly things, and there is nothing to be critical about.
Sorry, I must have missed where a bunch of irrelevant cranks saying the above means that smug kid in question was not, in fact, a smug kid in a MAGA hat in 2019 protesting abortion rights.
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08-05-2019 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Sorry, I must have missed where a bunch of irrelevant cranks saying the above means that smug kid in question was not, in fact, a smug kid in a MAGA hat in 2019 protesting abortion rights.
See my response to Trolly.
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08-05-2019 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
It's not hard to admit defeat in a argument. I do it sometimes. Usually about pretty minor points but sometimes. Perhaps this is your way of going about that?
What am I wrong about here?
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08-05-2019 , 03:20 PM
This is just the old cliche of "Dog bites man" vs "Man bites dog" when it comes to news reporting. The Black Israelites are a known hate group and bigoted as hell, but the reality is that they're doing the same spiel ~every day. As awful as it is, it doesn't make the news because it's nothing new. The media ignored that part of the story for the same reason there's not significant coverage of every murder in the country.

As Wookie said, silence is not tacit approval, it's just a reality when it's an unfortunately run-of-the-mill incident in an otherwise somewhat unique story. I 100% guarantee that if asked for their opinion of Black Israelites every member of this forum would say they are a hate group and are known for spouting extremely bigoted rhetoric.
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08-05-2019 , 03:23 PM
I think the mode response would be "Who?"
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08-05-2019 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
See my response to Trolly.
I think it's important to understand, some folks like MrWookie do not claim to be consistent. They do not have a problem with hate speech. They have a problem with hate speech coming from a certain demographic. In other words, not all hate speech is equal to them. They find hate speech to be more damaging when it comes (does not?) from a teenager, with no power, who is wearing a political hat, a hat has come to be associated with racism, by some, that teenager having a a facial expression they find unappealing, and anyone who believes it's a life inside a women, is evil (misogynist).
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08-05-2019 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I think it's important to understand, some folks like MrWookie do not claim to be consistent. They do not have a problem with hate speech. They have a problem with hate speech coming from a certain demographic. In other words, not all hate speech is equal to them. They find hate speech to be more damaging when it does not comes from a teenager, with no power, who is wearing a political hat, a hat has come to be associated with racism, by some and has a facial expression they find unappealing.
Lol @ no power? How about you compare the groups in question here.
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08-05-2019 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Willd
This is just the old cliche of "Dog bites man" vs "Man bites dog" when it comes to news reporting. The Black Israelites are a known hate group and bigoted as hell, but the reality is that they're doing the same spiel ~every day. As awful as it is, it doesn't make the news because it's nothing new. The media ignored that part of the story for the same reason there's not significant coverage of every murder in the country.

As Wookie said, silence is not tacit approval, it's just a reality when it's an unfortunately run-of-the-mill incident in an otherwise somewhat unique story. I 100% guarantee that if asked for their opinion of Black Israelites every member of this forum would say they are a hate group and are known for spouting extremely bigoted rhetoric.
Well....it's better than Trolly and Wookie's effort. But the rationalization and "reality explaining" that is taking place here is pretty extreme.
But what is your claim? That the media can cover any event any which way they want and put any kind of spin on it?
Why not I guess. They are private companies...
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08-05-2019 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Lol @ no power? How about you compare the groups in question here.
I rather not, I'll let you explain how skin color gives people power....I do not want to be accused of not stating your views accurately. I do not think skin color is indicative of power, but I think you do, at least extrinsically.
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08-05-2019 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I rather not, I'll let you explain how skin color gives people power....I do not want to be accused of not stating your views accurately. I do not think skin color is indicative of power, but I think you do, at least extrinsically.
Lololololololol, you think I am talking about skin color?
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08-05-2019 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Well....it's better than Trolly and Wookie's effort. But the rationalization and "reality explaining" that is taking place here is pretty extreme.
But what is your claim? That the media can cover any event any which way they want and put any kind of spin on it?
Why not I guess. They are private companies...
I was specifically talking about the fact that the Black Israelites weren't mentioned as part of the story and that is entirely due to it being an unfortunately commonplace incident that was essentially irrelevant to the actual narrative being reported on. If you expect the media to include all peripheral events when reporting a news story we're going to need many more hours in the day to fit it all in.

Regarding the actual coverage, I do think the unique part of the story was blown way out of proportion (first by the left and then by the right). Outside of maybe the first 24 hours or so though I don't think it was "spun" by the media more than any other story.
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08-05-2019 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Lololololololol, you think I am talking about skin color?
It's pretty clear your post referenced identity in one way or another. Not race specifically. I don't think 19 year old smug kids wield too much power either regardless of how white they are or how rich their parents are, fwiw.
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08-05-2019 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
It's pretty clear your post referenced identity in one way or another. Not race specifically. I don't think 19 year old smug kids wield too much power either regardless of how white they are or how rich their parents are, fwiw.
He was 16 at the time. It was a high school field trip.
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08-05-2019 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Lololololololol, you think I am talking about skin color?
You may not be talking about it, but almost certainly your perspective of the black Israelites would be different if they were white. You, the media, nor I would be writing them off as "cranks" if that were the case. I'm not sure what so objectionable to you, the point was, you believe racism or hate speech from a certain demographic is more contemptible, that's one reason why you write off the Black Israelite's contemptible behavior. I do not think I'm doing an injustice to how you think.

The point the others were making was that you treat hate speech differently, and you do, and so does the media.
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08-05-2019 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Willd
I was specifically talking about the fact that the Black Israelites weren't mentioned as part of the story and that is entirely due to it being an unfortunately commonplace incident that was essentially irrelevant to the actual narrative being reported on.
But what was the narrative being reported on? Smug white kid in maga hat harrasses native americans? The fact that there was a whole other group of people there engaging in worse behavior isn't irrelevant.
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08-05-2019 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
But what was the narrative being reported on? Smug white kid in maga hat harrasses native americans? The fact that there was a whole other group of people there engaging in worse behavior that created all the tension on the first place isn't irrelevant.
Well, at least in a sane world it wouldn't be irrelevant.
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08-05-2019 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
The point the others were making was that you treat hate speech differently, and you do, and so does the media.
LMFAO what an amazing lack of self-awareness, 21 people dead over the weekend from white nationalist terror and you’re furious that we don’t want to spend the day re-hashing the time that poor MAGA teen had his feels hurt.
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08-05-2019 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
LMFAO what an amazing lack of self-awareness, 21 people dead over the weekend from white nationalist terror and you’re furious that we don’t want to spend the day re-hashing the time that poor MAGA teen had his feels hurt.
gtfo with this **** trolly.
We have another thread to discuss that and this talk here that Kelhus has wanted to have has been days coming.
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08-05-2019 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
gtfo with this **** trolly.
We have another thread to discuss that and this talk here that Kelhus has wanted to have has been days coming.
It is no more sensible now than it was on Thursday.
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08-05-2019 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
It is no more sensible now than it was on Thursday.
Let's see. Trolly is arguing the WaPo sports is worse hate speech and you and Wiild are arguing that the media can do whatever they want. I'd say you're right
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08-05-2019 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Let's see. Trolly is arguing the WaPo sports is worse hate speech and you and Wiild are arguing that the media can do whatever they want. I'd say you're right
Actually I haven't been, but sure, I would rather they pick their own stories than have you dictate what they cover and how.
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08-05-2019 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
gtfo with this **** trolly.
Sorry, I should have said eco-nationalist terrorist.

But by all means, let’s relitigate that time teens put on racist paraphernalia and were poorly received by the residents of DC.
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08-05-2019 , 04:04 PM
At least we’ve finally put Milkshakeghazi to bed.
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08-05-2019 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
You may not be talking about it, but almost certainly your perspective of the black Israelites would be different if they were white. You, the media, nor I would be writing them off as "cranks" if that were the case. I'm not sure what so objectionable to you, the point was, you believe racism or hate speech from a certain demographic is more contemptible, that's one reason why you write off the Black Israelite's contemptible behavior. I do not think I'm doing an injustice to how you think.

The point the others were making was that you treat hate speech differently, and you do, and so does the media.
Part of the thesis for this thread is that media deliberately pushes divisiveness. This story is a good example of how that works. Nothing more nothing less. But you definitely aren't wrong there. Obviously the race of the black israelites is a factor in how they are covered. The media is extremely racial.
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