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08-23-2023 , 01:28 PM
If we take at face value this was a LGBTQ hate crime it is actually interesting how hands off the media is being.

If I had to venture a guess, it is because the California Democratic Party has been bleeding support from the Asian American community recently because of progressive policy decisions which have disproportionately negatively affected this community (for example affirmative action and so much of the homeless violence in the Bay Area is targeted at Asians).

And this is on top of the Hawaii disaster, where everyone involved is a Democrat, which obviously mainly affects the AAPI community.

Dems losing local Asian support isn't going to be an issue in a national presidential election with Donald Trump being the Republican candidate, but there are vulnerable districts that could swing R if too much more Asian American support is lost.

So I think the Dem establishment (including the liberal MSM) is clearly holding back here given the demographics involved.
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08-23-2023 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
And if you believe that they don't cover all stories equally, do you think it's possible that we might be able to detect some patterns in how they treat some stories differently from others?
I don't doubt your ability to find patterns.
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08-23-2023 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
I don't doubt your ability to find patterns.
I was asking you though if you think the media treats all crime equally in regards to the identities of the victim and perpetrator. Is that what you believe?
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08-23-2023 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
I don't doubt your ability to find patterns.
I should add that we're not exactly talking about every fourth Mexican murder victim ignored in non-leap years, so perhaps "patterns" is not the right term here...more like tendencies.
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08-23-2023 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Lucky, how can anybody not swim??

It should be illegal to not know how to swim.
It amazes me sometimes how insular your life must be.

A majority of people worldwide don't know how to swim, for a variety of reasons. Believe it or not, there are millions, likely billions, of people who don't have easy access to pools or other suitable swimming areas, and especially to proper instruction. Making it mandatory would be nowhere near as easy as you seem to think. But I don't know what even makes you believe this is relevant to the story anyway. As quoted in the post: "Water safety experts also stressed that even strong swimmers can drown, regardless of the type of water they’re in."

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Idk. It definitely makes sense that everyone should teach their kids how to swim.

In Brazil it's mandatory to learn to drive a manual transmission-- when you take your driver's exam there they supply you with a manual transmission vehicle to drive. They could also throw you in a pool at the same time.

I'm in the process of teaching a 4 year old currently (not currently currently but whenever we go to the pool-- but she doesn't like getting her face wet which is a bit problematic).
This is a pretty weak analogy, unless they make everyone in Brazil get a driver's license. I assume what actually happens is that they make everyone who wants a license learn how to drive a manual transmission, which would be analogous to making anyone who wants to swim be certified in some way - quite different from washoe's weird idea.

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Even if they aren't doing a full autopsy, wouldn't they still do a toxicology report?
What on earth made you think they weren't? It was already discussed in this thread that they had ordered one, and it took me about 5 seconds to find this on Google:

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“Toxicology is not a public record in Massachusetts, so we would not make it available,” a spokesperson for the office stated.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2023/08...ical-examiner/

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Originally Posted by Dunyain
One would assume so. Good luck finding this out though.
Well, there ya go, just gave you some more story suppression for you to wrap into whatever your latest conspiracy theory is!

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Originally Posted by ganstaman
Yes, "the establishment" would never want to push a story showing Christians to be anti-LGBTQ. It seems you just make up whatever the narrative of "the establishment" is to fit whatever story you read. Somehow the only consistent thing is that you are the special one who sees through it all and isn't misled.
This.

Quite something when he turns not getting all the info he wants within 60 hours over a weekend into "At this point this indicates the actual details of what happened dont fit the preferred script, and the narrative being promoted has very little (if any) overlap with the truth of whatever actually happened to cause this tragedy.", and then when it turns out said narrative actually does fit pretty well, rather than owning the fact that his ridiculous speculation was in fact ridiculous, he pivots to the media isn't covering it much probably because losing Asian support something something Maui wildfires something something. LOL.

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
It is your opinion that the media covers all stories equally regardless of the identities of the victim and perpetrator?

And if you believe that they don't cover all stories equally, do you think it's possible that we might be able to detect some patterns in how they treat some stories differently from others?
I'm not ganstaman, but I'll say that of course not all stories are covered equally, and that sometimes bias and/or agendas may come into play, because...humans. But I'll also say that there are a whole lot of other reasons they aren't, from what's in the news at a given time, what resources are available at a given time, and what they think will be of interest to the public. This weird obsession you guys have with trying to measure how much attention the "MSM" have paid to one story over another is pretty silly and difficult to measure, and has at times led to pretty hilarious exchanges in this forum where silly claims have been made about the MSM ignoring stories that have in fact been widely covered. Questioning bias and motives is prudent; doing so obsessively is unhealthy IMO.
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08-23-2023 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
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What on earth made you think they weren't? It was already discussed in this thread that they had ordered one, and it took me about 5 seconds to find this on Google:
I was wondering if they did, and missed it being discussed here. Obviously I did think that they would do one, hence why I phrased my post the way I did.
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08-23-2023 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
Yes, "the establishment" would never want to push a story showing Christians to be anti-LGBTQ. It seems you just make up whatever the narrative of "the establishment" is to fit whatever story you read. Somehow the only consistent thing is that you are the special one who sees through it all and isn't misled.
What??

Of course the establishment is going to be anti-Christian all else being equal. If you dont understand that, you have been living under a rock the last 20+ years, and I am not sure what to tell you.

But all else is not equal, so in this case they dont appear to be going very hard at the Christian angle, or really anything at all pertinent to the case. I already speculated why this may be the case.

The establishment seems pretty content to just move on without really digging into the case at all (still no timeline of what happened for example), which is actually pretty wild all else being equal. The national media spent more effort castigating the estranged Republican grandfather of the Colorado Springs shooter than they spent on this entire story.
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08-23-2023 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I was wondering if they did, and missed it being discussed here. Obviously I did think that they would do one, hence why I phrased my post the way I did.
Fair enough; apologies for assuming you meant otherwise.
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08-27-2023 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
It amazes me sometimes how insular your life must be.

A majority of people worldwide don't know how to swim, for a variety of reasons. Believe it or not, there are millions, likely billions, of people who don't have easy access to pools or other suitable swimming areas, and especially to proper instruction. Making it mandatory would be nowhere near as easy as you seem to think. But I don't know what even makes you believe this is relevant to the story anyway. As quoted in the post: "Water safety experts also stressed that even strong swimmers can drown, regardless of the type of water they’re in."


This is a pretty weak analogy, unless they make everyone in Brazil get a driver's license. I assume what actually happens is that they make everyone who wants a license learn how to drive a manual transmission, which would be analogous to making anyone who wants to swim be certified in some way - quite different from washoe's weird idea.


What on earth made you think they weren't? It was already discussed in this thread that they had ordered one, and it took me about 5 seconds to find this on Google:



https://www.bostonherald.com/2023/08...ical-examiner/


Well, there ya go, just gave you some more story suppression for you to wrap into whatever your latest conspiracy theory is!


This.

Quite something when he turns not getting all the info he wants within 60 hours over a weekend into "At this point this indicates the actual details of what happened dont fit the preferred script, and the narrative being promoted has very little (if any) overlap with the truth of whatever actually happened to cause this tragedy.", and then when it turns out said narrative actually does fit pretty well, rather than owning the fact that his ridiculous speculation was in fact ridiculous, he pivots to the media isn't covering it much probably because losing Asian support something something Maui wildfires something something. LOL.


I'm not ganstaman, but I'll say that of course not all stories are covered equally, and that sometimes bias and/or agendas may come into play, because...humans. But I'll also say that there are a whole lot of other reasons they aren't, from what's in the news at a given time, what resources are available at a given time, and what they think will be of interest to the public. This weird obsession you guys have with trying to measure how much attention the "MSM" have paid to one story over another is pretty silly and difficult to measure, and has at times led to pretty hilarious exchanges in this forum where silly claims have been made about the MSM ignoring stories that have in fact been widely covered. Questioning bias and motives is prudent; doing so obsessively is unhealthy IMO.

Bobo,

I of course know all this. I myself tought nonswimmers in 3rd world countries how to swim so they dont drown my friend.


My point is you dont have to have non swimmers in 1st class countries really.



and all soldiers in the army should be able to swim, right? Why cant some US soldiers swim?
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