I agree that it's important to distinguish between the neoliberal fake left and the real left when making broad-sided attacks against ones political opponents, fwiw.

FYP

And yet Wookie has nothing to say about the Black Israelites, you know the guys actually harrassing teenagers with vulgar homophobic, mysogynist, racist language.

And the most MIcrobet can say is they are crazy, but it is no biggie.

Like I said, it is amazing how most sheeple just completely buy into the media framing a narrative.

You're an idiot.

So, lets go to the tape.

Smirking makes you a horrible person; but verbally harassing people with homophobic, mysoginist, racist rhetoric is a nothing burger.

Yep. no cognitive dissonance here.

Again, you're an idiot.

Not only did I never call the smirking kid a horrible person, I did say the Black Israelites (I never listened to them) may well be racist.

Before I call you an idiot a third time, are you talking to me? You said "let's roll the tape". What tape?

Ok, I'm calling you an idiot a third time anyway. You posted immediately after me, if you're responding to Wookie or someone else it was on you to quote them.

Mostly this issue is ****ing trivial. Yeah, there are dumbass people on MSNBC who speculate about trivial **** all day long and there are people trolling and there are snowflakes on both sides, but if you are in tears over this you are a special right wing snowflake who needs a safe space and it's laughable that you pretend to be above it all. What kind of idiots are hung up over this?

It's actually kind of amazing that you Right wingers hold onto **** like this and you more or less let the Scalise shooting go. Getting called a racist is even worse than getting shot apparently.

This isn't you going to the tape. That's you blatantly lying about what I said.

Sorry, I guess I have to retract all negative statements about anyone because I haven't criticized literally everyone deserving. Why haven't you similarly shut the **** up and stopped criticizing anyone?

This is so perfect they're gonna think you're my sockpuppet foil.

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Ok. The way you wrote the post I thought you linked some video about the Black Israelites that got deleted by WN. No, I haven't seen the 2 hour video of the protests. I saw the same clips on the MSM when they made their rounds everyone else did, and admittedly was suspicious that this was being carefully edited to push an ideological narrative and wasn't very honest. And then we found out what really happened and by all appearances my suspicions were warranted.

Are you suggesting watching a full 2 hour video preceding the clips that went viral will give me some new perspective on this?

No, but hopefully you have some self awareness that you pretty much only are critical of things when it serves your ideological biases, and are pretty magnanimous about some pretty bad stuff when it doesn't.

Lets go to the tape is something Wookie says a lot. I assumed my mockingly using that term made it clear who I was talking to. Sorry for any confusion, but when you are simultaneously posting to 2 different posters at once this type of stuff happens.

You're missing the point. The point was that the media frames stuff for their own ends, and we for the most part just buy their framing, no matter how absurd it is in a vacuum. This was an example of that that came to mind. And I think your rationalizations for why the Black Israelite part of such an otherwise big story isn't a big deal shows a lot of cognitive dissonance and buying into the framing on your part. You disagree. It is what it is.

FWIW, The MSM news cycle on this lasted about 5 days, culminating on his appearance on The Today show, before melting into the ether. All the major outlets were still commenting on it 4-5 days in. If you don't think it is a very big deal or the media did anything wrong, that is fine. So far, at least one judge agrees with you, because he threw out one of the lawsuits. But at least lets not rewrite history about what actually happened.

So let's take stock.

In a thread where you lambast people for being "sheeple (who) just completely buy into the media framing a narrative" and "being content to live within the fever dream" and "showing how sanguine they are about mysogyny, sexism and homophobia when the media tells them these aren't the droids they are looking for; as opposed to how outraged they all get when the media tells them it is moral panic crisis acting time" it turns out you didn't watch the video of what happened and instead relied on... the media?

I watched the video. The night of, before the story turned out to be "fake". That's what happens when you're interested in something and want to learn more. I saw the still image and wondered if there was video.

Is this sinking in?

I missed this edit before I typed that..

How could it not? You say the BI were the instigators based on a narrative framed for you. Considering your posting, why would you not want to see what specifically happened?

Ok. I started watching the video. Prior to whatever happens later, so far I got through about 20 minutes of the Black Israelites harassing mostly Native Americans (but some shots at white people and even a black kid too) with homophobic, mysogynist, racist language.

It is actually much worse than I thought it would be. I can see now why the media would want to keep this suppressed. It is a pretty horrible look for them the double standard that they let this kind of stuff go unchecked and they have such strong faux outrage at anything they can link to Trump.

6ix, I will say so far if your goal is to reinforce my point, you are doing an admirable job by having me watch the video. Have to do stuff, will get through more later.

The Black Israelites are a pretty big thing in the Democratic Party. Anything done in the name of Black Israelitism should be given the same weight as Trumpism. Fair's fair.

Quote me.

I had a string of posts about the media's hypocrisy in regards to the Black Israelites bigotry and harassment, and this was your interjection into the conversation.

Sometimes what you don't say is a lot louder than what you do say. But you already know this.

Silence is in no charitable sense magnanimity. I don't give a **** about them. I offer no apologetics or criticism.

Kelhus this is one of those things where what's new to you isn't new to everyone, Black Israelities are a well known group of cranks. It's like any other group of street preachers, you just ignore them. So it's not news when they rant their crazy ****. You need more self-awareness of your ignorance, kid.

Ok, just for the record this is the kind of speech that Wookie, Fly et al. are so ambivalent about. This is in the first few minutes of the full video, and so far is all directed at Native American marchers. The Covington kids haven't even entered stage left yet.

• To black kid walking by-- When you get old enough they are going to steal your organs. Get Out ****** (pun intended I am sure)
• To native American girl- You’re not supposed to worship eagles, buffalos, animals. This is the reason God took your land. You’re not an Indian, Indian means savage. This is the problem Israel.
• Long soliloquy directed at native American girl- Its always our women coming up with their loud mouth, thinking they can come and distract things with their loud ass mouth because they aint used to dealing with no real men. And you think we are supposed to bow down to your damn emotions. You coming to run your mouth to distract what we doing instead of coming with order.
• To white kid standing around watching - Look at Lord Billy. Lord corny ass Billy Bob.
• To older Native American woman who looks ethnically Caucasian – Listen, you a $5 Indian. You aint no child of God. You are the devil. You are a fake damn $5 Indian. Go that way. You aren’t our people. You want to take our culture. You’re a culture vulture. You a damn blue eyed demon.

-For the record none of the Indians seemed particularly pleased about being confronted with such hate speech. One could even say they seemed critical. I guess they didn't get the memo that its just some crazy old men saying silly things, and there is nothing to be critical about.

Looks like Kelhus just checkmated you guys.
I had my doubts at times in this discussion because, like Micro, I hadn't heard of Sandmaan either until this thread and the idea that it was pushed mostly by the right has a lot of merit.
But Kelhus makes a strong case that the media was libelous and spun things in a particularly biased way.

The WaPo sports section has more virulent hate speech than that.