there's a two hour video

did you watch it?

I appreciate how the usual crew of progressive woke race baiters have all weighed in (except Trolly), and none of them are even pretending they give a **** about the mysogynist, homophobic, racist Black Israelites who should have been the story (assuming there should even have been a story to begin with) in a rational world.

Once again showing how sanguine they are about mysogyny, sexism and homophobia when the media tells them these aren't the droids they are looking for; as opposed to how outraged they all get when the media tells them it is moral panic crisis acting time.

so is that a yes or no to vid-watching?

Lol

Kelhus, I thought we were talking about the media. If we're talking about the Black Israelites then recall this substantive post I made to you awhile ago, before I realized the brain worms had conquered your brain:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=860

If I'm not a fan of their "white people are literal devils, let's kill or enslave them all" stance, you can probably guess where I stand on their other stances.

If that doesn't get the juices flowing then I can talk some real **** about Farrakhan. The BI are just crazy cranks.

Sure. So why are you so defensive?

No. Maybe you had a link and it got removed when WN edited your post? (I never saw your post pre-edit so I really dunno)

Ok. I read your post. I read it the first time you posted it. Its a good post. If you are arguing the Black Israelites aren't "the left" I can accept that. My post wasn't really about them at all.

It was about how the case was a great example of the media manufacturing a story out of a nothing burger, and then telling us how we are supposed to interpret the story, and all of us just accepting their version of events. The media are the ones who told us that the smirking kid with the MAGA hat was the problem that needed to be dealt with and who we should be outraged about; and the racist, homophobic mysogynists who started the whole mess weren't a big deal. And we pretty much just accepted this narrative with no critical thought at all to how absurd this narrative really is.

I'm pretty comfortable calling a smirking kid in a MAGA hat a racist, homophobic misogynist.

One of Ezra Klein’s recent podcast episodes cast a self-critical lens on the media’s coverage of Trump, that is tangentially related to this. You may find parts of it interesting.

I assume it was the podcast where he and the woman he was interviewing discussed whether "Sunlight is the best disinfectant" aphorism was true in the case of Trump. I actually listened to it. Was interesting, although I am not a big fan of white privilege/white supremacy narratives, which the woman co-host focused on a lot.

Do you think war would be possible without media cheerleaders?

I'm quite confident that the amount of damage caused by media warmomgering far exceeds the damage caused by mongering over everything else combined.
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Since we were kicked out of the other thread

I missed some of this thread. When Nicolas Sandmann came up I had no idea who that was.

Kelhus, what do you make of that considering I consume primarily liberal/leftist media outside of this forum? I'll tell you. There is no coordinated public shaming campaign coming from liberals and the left. It's just complaints from the Right. If the Right didn't broadcast this story this kid would have been totally forgotten.

So it is ok for the media to publicly shame 16 year olds based on lies if everyone promises to forget about it after? And obviously this is sticking with him the rest of his life, and i find your suggestion it won’t completely disengenuous. And i suspect if it was your own child this happened to you you wouldn’t be so magnanimous about it.

I mean scroll down 5 posts. Wookie has decided he is a horrible human being, based mostly off a fake media smear campaign. And I don’t think he is being hyperbolic at all. And a lot of other intellectually lazy brainwashed droids will come to the same conclusion. Good luck finding a job after that.

ALso, this was literally the biggest story in the news for a solid week. So I don’t know what you were doing that week that you missed it.

I didn't say it was ok. I don't know anything about the kid. I'm saying it's the Right who is wrecking this kid's life. Maybe it was the biggest story for a week on Fox. (Luckbox will like this...) There hasn't been a week in the last two and a half years where Russia-Trump wasn't the biggest story on MSNBC.

I think you are really uninformed on this. Look at who he is suing. It isn’t Fox or right wing celebrities. It is the MSM and leftist celebrities, because they were the ones going after him hard.

The right wing media amplified it by criticizing the media and celebrities for going after him, but it was a definite thing even before that.

I guarantee there was substantial activity on this in the old politics forum too.

I remember the story, but not nearly well enough to remember the kid's name. It was a trivial story. I think Maddow had it on, I bet for no more than 5 minutes total. That Tucker Carlson talked about it non-stop for a week and still brings it up today would not be at all surprising.

Anyways, my point bringing it up was the complete non story the Israelites behavior was, and how if we lived in a rational world that should have been the story as far as outrage goes. And the fact that it wasn't at all illustrates just how much control the media has in shaping the narrative of the fever dream we all live in.

Your point is that some crazy people yelling on the street should have been national news?

So, they are just crazy? They aren't racist, homophobic, or sexist?

I guess the tiki torch marchers are just crazy too?

It is literally insane the complete absurd inconsistency of our reality as far as what is just "crazy" and what is "morally reprehensible," and how we decide what should be normalized (in your case normalizing the Israelites behavior) and what should not be. and you guys are just so content to live within the fever dream and accept contradiction after contradiction after contradiction.

You know, saying "fever dream" is not making a point. You are not on the right side of anything here in the moral sense or otherwise and the things that you imagine are gotchas just aren't.

I think Black Israelites who make it their day job to yell on the street are crazy, and I don't really know what they were saying, but it may well have been racist too. It's a total non-story though. This is for a couple reasons. One it was just a couple people and a couple weirdos shouting anything is not a story. A couple weird white racists shouting on a corner is also not a national story. A big march of Black Israelites with hundreds of people carrying torches would be a big story.

Are the tiki torch marchers crazy? Probably not. The ones I saw profiled were like stupid frat boys who hoped to finish college and get regular jobs, but maybe screwed that up because they made their racism extremely public.

How the **** is calling someone crazy "normalizing" it? It's really abnormalizing it, right?

There's another thing here if you want to get into racism, structural/institutional racism and power. It's relevant that white people are a majority, hold most of the wealth and positions of power in the US, and are a far bigger threat to minorities than the other way around. I know that part really bugs you, but it's true. Some people are more concerned with white racists because they are more dangerous.

Constantly it comes back to you thinking that I'm (we're) afraid to admit something. This was explained before and you got it that time, but seemed to have forgotten. Remember how you thought that no one could criticize the treatment of women in Islamic countries without being called Islamophobic?

If you want to argue that it should have been a complete non story and the media making this a giant story and everyone buying it as a story (except you I guess) is an indication of the control they have over the narrative, then I accept that.

But once the media decides to make it a story and the guys hurling the racist, sexist, homophonic taunts who started it all are not part of the story; then I am calling the media out on this.

Stupid little story about two people yelling and a kid standing there get played on MSNBC for a little bit and FOX makes the kid a victim/hero for a long bit.

Like I'm SHOCKED that cable news makes a big deal out of what should be nothing.

Another problem you guys have is you don't understand anything about what the people you are arguing with actually believe. That's why you think you are scoring points when you criticize MSNBC/Comcast or the Washington Post or something that you think really represents Leftists.