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Old 06-19-2019, 05:43 PM   #126
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My understanding was, outside of Mueller, there was plenty of circumstantial evidence that pointed towards Russia as the hackers. Evidence that wouldn't be enough in a court case obviously, but enough, that if someone were to ask who was the most likely culprit, you'd say Russia.
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Old 06-20-2019, 12:36 PM   #127
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Doesn't matter who the culprit is. It only matters what the Defendant believes and his intent at the time he commits the act.

I point a gun at you and pull the trigger, but unbeknownst to me the gun isn't loaded. Am I guilty of a crime?

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Old 07-27-2019, 04:22 PM   #128
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Old 07-28-2019, 02:03 PM   #129
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So a couple days ago a federal judge threw out one of the defamation lawsuits from Nicholas Sandmann. I don't have too much to say about that. If our laws allow the professional media to engage in a coordiated public shaming campaign against 16 year olds, using carefully manipulated, mostly false information, then so be it.

However, when the case came out, that I am reminded of now, is how this was such an interesting case of how the media frames news for their own ideological and political ends, and how all of us just buy into their framing, which no capacity for any real critical reasoning. Without any other context imagine I told you there was a story involving 3 principle parties.

1. 5 Black Hebrew Israelites who were shouting mysogynistic, racist and homophobic slurs
2. A group of pro life activist students chanting in response
3. A Native American activist who decided to jump in the fray and confront the students with his own chanting for whatever reason

And then I asked you to tell me what the story is (if you even think this should be a story in the first place), and who should be the subject of any potential criticism, shame and doxxing from this; in any sane reality it is obviously the racist, sexist homophobic Black Hebrew Israelites who are story, and the subject of condemnation.

However, if the fever dream that the media has us all living in, it is the students who got all the heat and to this day still do, for strictly political/ideological reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with objective reality of what happened.. The media never had the slightest interest in framing the issue honestly, and never will. They gave the Black Hebrew Israelites a completely free pass in all of this, and we all just accepted it. It is straight ideological and political manipulation all the way down, and we are all caught in the fever dream they have created for us, and can't see the our way out of it.
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Old 07-28-2019, 02:10 PM   #130
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And it goes without saying that all the liberals who are cheering over the lawsuit getting thrown out, would be absolutely appalled if the circumstances were otherwise similar, but the principal wasn't a conservative, white male. Straight identity politics. No objective principles in play at all here.
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Old 07-28-2019, 02:12 PM   #131
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You can't sue someone for being a triggered snowflake. Well you can but it'll get thrown out.
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Old 07-28-2019, 02:15 PM   #132
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You can't sue someone for being a triggered snowflake. Well you can but it'll get thrown out.
This is a pretty good example of someone who is living completely in the fever dream, and has no capacity at all to address reality outside of it. He has nothing critical to say about the racist, mysogynist homophobes, and never will. All his negative emotion is targeted at exactly who his masters (the media and neoliberal ruling class) have instructed hm to have negative emotion towards. Just a mindless, soulless cog in the machine.
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Old 07-28-2019, 02:28 PM   #133
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This is a pretty good example of someone who is living completely in the fever dream, and has no capacity at all to address reality outside of it. He has nothing critical to say about the racist, mysogynist homophobes, and never will. All his negative emotion is targeted at exactly who his masters (the media and neoliberal ruling class) have instructed hm to have negative emotion towards. Just a mindless, soulless cog in the machine.
I do find it ironic that so many people respond to being redpilled by treating their own new meta-perspective about ideology as having escaped the control of the machines.
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Old 07-28-2019, 02:44 PM   #134
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I do find it ironic that so many people respond to being redpilled by treating their own new meta-perspective about ideology as having escaped the control of the machines.
Despite my screen name, I do not believe myself to be a self moving soul. I recognize my own humanity in this respect. If I really had control, why would I even be bothering with all this vainglorious self-flattery at all? I would probably be trying to figure out some sort of way to manipulate all the sheeple towards my own ends.

For good or bad, it seems the extent of my control is brief glimpses of reality, undoubtably confined by my own conceits and bias.
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Old 07-28-2019, 02:46 PM   #135
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I do find it ironic that so many people respond to being redpilled by treating their own new meta-perspective about ideology as having escaped the control of the machines.
It's a valid metaphor. To an extent you either buy the propaganda or you don't. There are degrees of that though and it's more like the layers of an onion than a machine.
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Old 07-28-2019, 07:01 PM   #136
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This is a pretty good example of someone who is living completely in the fever dream, and has no capacity at all to address reality outside of it. He has nothing critical to say about the racist, mysogynist homophobes, and never will. All his negative emotion is targeted at exactly who his masters (the media and neoliberal ruling class) have instructed hm to have negative emotion towards. Just a mindless, soulless cog in the machine.
No one but future mass shooters even remember who that guy is. It's hilarious that he thought he was some kind of uber troll but couldn't stand 24 hours of news coverage that consisted of photos and videos of what he was doing and then sticking up for him as just a kid. Completely expected though that a supposed conservative would go running to the government to soothe his hurt fee fees at the expense of everyone else's free speech.
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Old 07-28-2019, 07:57 PM   #137
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It's a valid metaphor. To an extent you either buy the propaganda or you don't. There are degrees of that though and it's more like the layers of an onion than a machine.
Huh wow another ****ing mainstream Republican view.

Sandmann's extremely wealthy parents literally hired a crisis management PR team for him. That investment paid off at least twice in this ****ing thread.
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Old 07-28-2019, 08:31 PM   #138
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Huh wow another ****ing mainstream Republican view.

Sandmann's extremely wealthy parents literally hired a crisis management PR team for him. That investment paid off at least twice in this ****ing thread.
Another faithful sheep lost in the fever dream.
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Old 07-28-2019, 08:37 PM   #139
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Huh wow another ****ing mainstream Republican view.



Sandmann's extremely wealthy parents literally hired a crisis management PR team for him. That investment paid off at least twice in this ****ing thread.
I don't know who Sandmamn is. Reality being like an onion is definitely not a mainstream Republican view though.
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Old 07-29-2019, 11:38 AM   #140
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I do find it ironic that so many people respond to being redpilled by treating their own new meta-perspective about ideology as having escaped the control of the machines.
Well, I dont like the machine talk either. But, imagine you have learned something about this world. Say for example, how relationships between 1st world countries and 3rd world countries usually go. You might come to realise that contracts between those countries are usually heavily in favor of the 1st world countries.

This may look like this:
We give 100 Million as foreign aid. You need to invest this money in our companies. Your companies will need to buy the stuff we produce from our companies at our prices. Yada yada.

It is pretty clear that 3rd world countries still get ****ed in the ass by 1st world countries. The issue is, the news dont sell it like that, theyll usually celebrate themselves for being awesomely nice and good guys.

Once you noticed such a "little" missrepresantation, it becomes hard to believe other things. It also becomes hard to comprehend that so many people just believe the stuff they hear. And it becomes extremly hard when you try to point these things out but instead of opening eyes, they make you out to be the stupid guy because you argue against their common narrative. But even if you try to explain something like cognitive dissonance...
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Old 07-29-2019, 05:45 PM   #141
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I remember during the Virginia Beach shooting a couple months ago the MSM kept pointing out they weren’t going to focus on the attacker because they didn’t want to glorify them. It was a big talking point by everyone.

Fast forward to the current Gilroy incident and it is a full court press on the attacker and his white suprenacist motives. It seems when there is a political/ideological angle to spin, especially when it can be tied to Trump (via white supremacy), the media has decided spending a lot of time focusing on the killer and his motives is now ok. Talk about cognitive dissonance.

And this is not even going into the fact this was an especially violent weekend in the US, with A LOT of Americans being murdered, including another mass shooting at a festival in NY, and all of the others barely made the news at all.

And of course the American sheeple will think there is nothing strange about any of this, because we rely on the media to instruct us what is strange and what isn’t.
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:21 PM   #142
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And of course the American sheeple will think there is nothing strange about any of this, because we rely on the media to instruct us what is strange and what isn’t.
I'm a sheeple as are so many of the other posters here, so can you tell us what is strange about whatever it is that you're mad about here?
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:35 PM   #143
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I'm a sheeple as are so many of the other posters here, so can you tell us what is strange about whatever it is that you're mad about here?
You don't find it strange how normalized violence is, unless it has a social/political angle the media is interested in, in which case it isn't normal anymore. And it doesn't concern you at all how much carte blanche power they have to decide what is and isn't important?

How many people in the US died on Saturday by gun violence? 50? 100? None of those other deaths mattered at all?

I am not saying that a white supremacist sneaking into a festival to commit murder and mayhem isn't a story. But none of the other murders were stories? How does that work? Do we even really care about gun violence if it has to be politically sensational to even matter at all?
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Seems like you answered your own question
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Old 07-29-2019, 08:17 PM   #145
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You don't find it strange how normalized violence is, unless it has a social/political angle the media is interested in, in which case it isn't normal anymore. And it doesn't concern you at all how much carte blanche power they have to decide what is and isn't important?
This is not really what "normalized" or "carte blanche" mean but buddy just wait until you discover how much time the media spends on violence in Yemen and the Gaza Strip.


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How many people in the US died on Saturday by gun violence? 50? 100? None of those other deaths mattered at all?
No I imagine each of them mattered a lot.

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I am not saying that a white supremacist sneaking into a festival to commit murder and mayhem isn't a story. But none of the other murders were stories? How does that work? Do we even really care about gun violence if it has to be politically sensational to even matter at all?
I asked you to explain and you used like 20 ****ing question marks in this post.

Spit it out, son, well named is here to protect you, you know that. What's going on here, that the media's agenda here is to advance their social/political narrative by reporting on white supremacist domestic terrorism?
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You don't find it strange how normalized violence is, unless it has a social/political angle the media is interested in, in which case it isn't normal anymore. And it doesn't concern you at all how much carte blanche power they have to decide what is and isn't important?

How many people in the US died on Saturday by gun violence? 50? 100? None of those other deaths mattered at all?

I am not saying that a white supremacist sneaking into a festival to commit murder and mayhem isn't a story. But none of the other murders were stories? How does that work? Do we even really care about gun violence if it has to be politically sensational to even matter at all?

If I used this line of thinking to frame 9/11 you'd have an aneurysm.
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Huh wow another ****ing mainstream Republican view.

Sandmann's extremely wealthy parents literally hired a crisis management PR team for him. That investment paid off at least twice in this ****ing thread.
It's so perfectly ironic, to the point it might prove I am in a dream.

I mean, is this the thread to talk about how our resident conspiracy theorist was faced with an actual, though somewhat simple and tame, conspiracy involving trump And Co and Putin And Co and was all like, naw homey, I'm not buying it?
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Conspiracy theories pushed by the mainstream media aren't quite the same as ones not pushed by the mainstream media.
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How many people in the US died on Saturday by gun violence? 50? 100? None of those other deaths mattered at all?
It's wild how the Classical Liberal freethinkers ITT are indistinguishable from gun lobby agitprop.
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It's wild how the Classical Liberal freethinkers ITT are indistinguishable from gun lobby agitprop.
You realize that the only person talking about guns is Kelhus right?
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