Including conspiracy stuff. Conspiracy theory info was around long before the internet. Don't you think it's a little odd that once the internet came around--it turned out there were all these people that believed--for all intents and purposes--the same exact things?? Everyone came to these conclusions on their own?

The "for all intents and purposes" part of your post is doing a lot of work there. But some of what you're talking about is inherent in the idea of conspiracy theory itself. If we believe that events do not merely "happen" but are "made to happen" (which is essentially the definition of conspiracy theory)--then there is only a certain range of plausible explanations. And you also have to consider that there are a bunch of conspiracy ideas that are actually true, and people should be able to independently come to the same true conclusions. This happens all the time.
And so while there is plenty of room to quibble about what exactly "for all intents are purposes" means here--I don't think this is too odd at all.

I suspect that people who enjoy luckboxing are very removed from the power structure. That is, they don't know on a personal level any of the people who they imagine are controlling the world, or anyone who works directly for those people. I don't know a lot of those people, but I certainly know a few. And I would bet an unlimited amount of money that the people I know personally are not participating in the conspiracies that Luckbox spends so much time fantasizing about.

In other words, if you want to believe in an extensive, hyper-competent conspiracy, it probably helps if you are far removed from the participants in the conspiracy.

My dad has met Dick Cheney on multiple occasions. I've played tennis with the sons of billionaires/major political donor. Your expectations here are incorrext.
When I asked my dad recently if he knew who Sherrod Brown was his response was "Yeah I know him. I was in a car with him...[He's an] *******"
I even once got to stick my wee in a girl who makes 500k/year working for Goldman who has been offered a CFO position at a Fortune 500.
So your expectations here at least in my case are wildly off. My dad was essentially a lobbyist but he ran the State and Local government affairs division of his company before coming a VP of Industry Affairs where he travelled around the world meeting with major politicos.

Fair enough. And your interactions with these people confirmed your suspicions that they were part of the Illuminati or whatever?

I don't know Sherrod Brown from Adam, but the fact that your dad thinks he is an ******* is sort of irrelevant to whether Sherrod Brown is participating in vast conspiracies.

I know lots of people who are *******s.

There are approximately one zillion people who work for Goldman who make $500K per year. Surely you don't think everyone who makes $500K at an investment bank participates in these conspiracies.

With the guy who I played tennis with--we met through a mutual friend at a party -he's a good friend with the husband of a girl I'm good friends with's twin sister. Apparently they made it known to him that I was a 9/11 conspiracy person and his response was "as long as he doesn't bring that up around me that's fine"--which I thought was interesting.
My dad is mostly clueless despite hosting fundraisers and meeting Cheney on multiple occasions including at the White House. He actually interviewed for and was offered a position as Deputy Director of the EPA but he didn't take it and also could have been on the Chemical Safety Board. But apparently these are positions that one doesn't need to be 'in the know' to get because he definitely isn't.

No. But if your point is that "people like me" are complete hicks who live in the backwoods of Alabama then you're mistaken. I'm not really sure what your point is.
I think that there is a lot of compartamentalization that takes place as far as these conspiracies go.

Yeah I would say I'm pretty removed but I'm not completely removed.
But no. I don't think everyone making 500k for Goldman is in on it. I don't think the son of the billionaire who drives around town in his pickup truck (it's like a 50k truck but w/e) like a normal person is in on it.
I do think that senators and most people elected to Congress are in on it--but I could be mistaken there and that some of them are just useful idiot types.

It has nothing to do with being a hick or living in Alabama. I have no idea where you live. I guess that I had a vague sense that you lived in Southern California. Or maybe Texas?

Usually Arizona but I've been in South Carolina for the last couple months temporarily.
But you're probably right that the people that you know are also not participating in any sort of conspiracies.

Fwiw I definitely don't spend any amount of time fantasizing about it and very little time even thinking about it. I don't need to. When something happens like Epstein or Portland or whatever I can pretty much figure those out immediately and the big picture thinking I've already done.

Apple blah blah blah blah the tree.

What I meant with that phrase was--there may be some minor details that differ from one person to another--but for the most part they believe essentially the same things.

Do you think a lot of the conspiracy narratives are arrived at organically or that they were pushed out deliberately and then adopted as truth(even though some people may put a bit of their own spin on them)/spread around further?

I'm not denying there are some conspiracies that are true.

You’ve never once spelled out what the big picture behind any of these conspiracies.

Well for one--we've already gone down some of this road and your conceptions of what conspiracy theorists believe vs what they actually believe are two different things entirely. And many of the things are not minor at all. So there is a very large danger of over-generalizing here.
But to address your question--yes part of the conspiracy narrative has been pushed deliberately. As I've said before "the new world order" is a conspiracy theory by the new world order. It's literally on the dollar bill-- 'Novus Ordem Seclorum" complete with the all seeing eye at the top of the pyramid. That isn't an accident. It's my belief that they are building up this system for the purposes of tearing down later, but that they need people aware of it in order to make that happen. I've discussed this some in the Epstein thread and it's not an easy topic, but it makes a lot of sense out of what we see taking place--particularly the way some conspiracy ideas seem to be deliberately pushed.

It's not for you though. First go and figure out if Warren is working with the system or against it.

Riddle me this, riddle me that.

I’d like to know more about Satan and what his angle is.

What makes that a topic you're interested in? Out of curiosity more than anything..

I think I have a pretty decent handle on what the general vibe is wrt what conspiracy theorists believe. I've been reading Tons of that stuff for ~35yrs ffs. And I still scan thru the usual suspects(r/conspiracy etc) almost daily still just to see what's out there.

If you're into the nwo stuff--I find it very hard to believe you don't really know anything about that financial stuff--I mean why use the money reference? If that's indeed the case--I'd say there's a real good chance I know Far more than you on these topics as it turns out. Being skeptical of narratives shouldn't stop at just the official ones imo. There's plenty of good reasons to question a lot of the conspiracy narratives as well.

You also seem to think I'm coming at you or arguing with you or something--and that's really not the case at all. I'm just having a conversation. Do you really think I would've spent all that time reading about that stuff if I had zero interest in it at all??

Why would in it be interested in a literal Satanic being controlling the world?

Can you explain how Satan is linked to Epstein and what his big plan is?

First you're absolutely right that we should be skeptical of a lot of conspiracy narratives. The relevant concept is called "muddying the waters" and there has been a lot of that that has taken place. So we should be skeptical of a lot but not so skeptical that we reject the idea of ever being able to reach any sort of conclusions about anything either.
And I apologize for taking somewhat of a defensive posture with you but in our previous conversations you basically said that anti-semitism lies at the bottom of every conspiracy theory and I accused you of being bigoted towards conspiracy theorists--so I'm still going off of that a little but then found it odd how much conspiracy ideas you've integrated into your own thinking.
My criticisms of you is that you still seem to be very much caught up in the left vs right, liberal vs conservative style thinking that plagues discourse. And for me that was the first thing to go after I understood just a little bit of what is happening. A proper understanding of 9/11 even should be enough to do away with any notions that the Republicans and Democrats represent different factions (of the elites or whatever) that are fighting each other for control. But I definitely enjoy conversing with you and no doubt there are many aspects of things with which you have a better understanding than me.
But as far as the "NWO" stuff. That is one of those things where I think a lot of muddying of waters has taken place. It doesn't mean that I don't think topics related to finance aren't a factor--they certainly are. But I don't necessarily find things like that interesting either.

Aren't you an athiest though? Here was the last time this came up with us for reference:

Yeah, I keep asking but you never spell out what the deal is with Satan and what his deal is.