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06-18-2019 , 09:35 PM
Disappointed that I only found out how good the 13th Floor Elevators were by hearing that Roky Erikson died and looking them up on Spotify afterwards. So much missed time enjoying them
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06-18-2019 , 09:49 PM


Love me an electoral college system
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06-19-2019 , 12:17 AM
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Love me an electoral college system
Your being results oriented. I doubt you would mind if it worked in your (perceived) favor. Anyways, it is very interesting how pretty much every representative democracy in the world has some mechanism to avoid complete democracy, and it has always been this way. Almost as the leaders of pretty much every society that has ever existed understands that true democracy (aka mob rule) needs to be checked against in a functional society.
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06-19-2019 , 09:11 AM
Trump’s Tax Law Made Americans Less Charitable, Nonprofits Say

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump...155336882.html

On top of this being another thing about the tax law that probably isn't a very good thing, I do find this amusing the (counterintuitive?) idea that the government should be financially incentivizing us to donate in the first place.

On a related tangent, I always love it when a major corporation collects money for donating to a cause, because you know 100% their plan is to donate your money and then claim the tax credits for it. Talk about cynical.
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06-19-2019 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus999
Your being results oriented. I doubt you would mind if it worked in your (perceived) favor. Anyways, it is very interesting how pretty much every representative democracy in the world has some mechanism to avoid complete democracy, and it has always been this way. Almost as the leaders of pretty much every society that has ever existed understands that true democracy (aka mob rule) needs to be checked against in a functional society.
The whole point of the electoral college is to produce a result so yea being results oriented is just fine. As far as process goes the electoral college doesn't try to avoid complete democracy, it doesn't try to do anything. It's a relic of a system that was designed with certain assumptions and those assumptions aren't true any more. So even if it were to favor the results I want, which it would if Texas flips blue, I'd still want to get rid of it because it's unpredictable, which is bad.

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06-19-2019 , 09:40 AM
Give a shout out for the content moderators. It's no picnic at 2+2 and it's sure as hell not fun at Facebook

Warning: Not fun to read

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Cognizant offered Speagle $15 an hour to do the job full time — a marked improvement over his previous job, which was seasonal. Only after he began training did he realize that the job would not, in fact, involve helping businesses with Facebook marketing. Instead, two weeks after Speagle was put onto the production floor, a manager told him he and a colleague would be reviewing graphic violence and hate speech full time.
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For the six months after he was hired, Speagle would moderate 100 to 200 posts a day. He watched people throw puppies into a raging river, and put lit fireworks in dogs’ mouths. He watched people mutilate the genitals of a live mouse, and chop off a cat’s face with a hatchet. He watched videos of people playing with human fetuses, and says he learned that they are allowed on Facebook “as long as the skin is translucent.” He found that he could no longer sleep for more than two or three hours a night. He would frequently wake up in a cold sweat, crying.

Early on, Speagle came across a video of two women in North Carolina encouraging toddlers to smoke marijuana, and helped to notify the authorities. (Moderator tools have a mechanism for escalating issues to law enforcement, and the women were eventually convicted of misdemeanor child abuse.) To Speagle’s knowledge, though, the crimes he saw every day never resulted in legal action being taken against the perpetrators. The work came to feel pointless, never more so than when he had to watch footage of a murder or child pornography case that he had already removed from Facebook.

In June 2018, a month into his job, Facebook began seeing a rash of videos that depicted organs being harvested from children. So many graphic videos were reported that they could not be contained in Speagle’s queue.

“I was getting the brunt of it, but it was leaking into everything else,” Speagle said. “It was mass panic. All the SMEs had to rush in there and try to help people. They were freaking out — they couldn’t handle it. People were crying, breaking down, throwing up. It was like one of those horror movies. Nobody’s prepared to see a little girl have her organs taken out while she’s still alive and screaming.” Moderators were told they had to watch at least 15 to 30 seconds of each video.


https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/19/1...ognizant-tampa
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06-19-2019 , 11:49 AM
In the midst of listening to Jordan Peterson interview Milo. Really good. For whatever his sins and moral failings may be, Milo is a very interesting, perceptive person, and very talented. I wouldn't be surprised if he learns from his mistakes, does his penance, and makes a successful reappearance into the public sphere at some point down the line.
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06-19-2019 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
The whole point of the electoral college is to produce a result so yea being results oriented is just fine.
The actual point of the electoral college is that direct election of the President, the obvious method that you now see in Ireland, Germany, Italy, France, Israel and -- well, most places -- couldn't be contemplated, because the Southern states wouldn't accept it. They wouldn't accept it because it meant that their President would be in part directly elected by black voters in the Northern states, which would make the President 'unclean' and would lead to a renewal of civil war. (The War of Independence was of course a civil war, with at least as many Americans on the Crown side as on the rebel slavers' side. And many of those on the Crown side were black, for obvious reasons.) Of course, they ended up with another civil war anyway, but they still didn't get rid of the stupid electoral college.

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06-19-2019 , 02:27 PM
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In the midst of listening to Jordan Peterson interview Milo. Really good. For whatever his sins and moral failings may be, Milo is a very interesting, perceptive person, and very talented. I wouldn't be surprised if he learns from his mistakes, does his penance, and makes a successful reappearance into the public sphere at some point down the line.
You really should take that act out on the comedy circuit. Start with open-mike nights -- I believe they like to say 'open mic' these days -- and work up.
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06-19-2019 , 02:45 PM
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You really should take that act out on the comedy circuit. Start with open-mike nights -- I believe they like to say 'open mic' these days -- and work up.
I don’t share your apparently high opinion of my comedic talents. But I appreciate the compliment nonetheless.
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06-19-2019 , 02:59 PM
Isn't Milo basically a not blind Clayton bigsby
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06-19-2019 , 03:12 PM
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In the midst of listening to Jordan Peterson interview Milo. Really good. For whatever his sins and moral failings may be, Milo is a very interesting, perceptive person, and very talented. I wouldn't be surprised if he learns from his mistakes, does his penance, and makes a successful reappearance into the public sphere at some point down the line.
What are you smoking?
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06-19-2019 , 03:54 PM


Aww conservative economists.
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06-19-2019 , 06:33 PM
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Isn't Milo basically a not blind Clayton bigsby
No. He is actually incredibly intelligent, self aware and insightful. For whatever reason (he actually does some self psychoanalysis and articulates fairly well what he believes those reasons are in the Peterson podcast) he just refuses to play the game by societies rules, and has been put in (permanent?) time out for it.

I finished the podcast today and it was actually a good listen IMO.
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06-19-2019 , 06:38 PM
Sometimes narcissistic opportunists are just narcissistic opportunists
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06-19-2019 , 07:03 PM
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he just refuses to play the game by societies rules, and has been put in (permanent?) time out for it.
He’s been shunned because regularly associates with nazis and the alt-right and he defends pedophilia. This is not in the Trolly “I’m gonna pull a narrative out of my ***” way but in the actual literally sympathizes with nazis way. In no way is Milo anyone desireable to bring back in the public sphere.
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06-19-2019 , 07:12 PM
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He’s been shunned because regularly associates with nazis and the alt-right and he defends pedophilia. This is not in the Trolly “I’m gonna pull a narrative out of my ***” way but in the actual literally sympathizes with nazis way. In no way is Milo anyone desireable to bring back in the public sphere.
Actually, he talked about this at length in the Peterson podcast. His point was that pedophilia (or more specifically older authority figure and young man pair bonding, that often trips the line of our societally arbitrary conception of pedophilia) is quietly very prevalent in the gay community, and he articulates very well why he believes this to be the case.

I am more than willing to have this discussion, but I would check with WN first. He might decide the juice isn't worth the squeeze, and I wouldn't blame him.
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06-19-2019 , 07:28 PM
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He’s been shunned because regularly associates with nazis and the alt-right and he defends pedophilia. This is not in the Trolly “I’m gonna pull a narrative out of my ***” way but in the actual literally sympathizes with nazis way. In no way is Milo anyone desireable to bring back in the public sphere.
You basically repeated what I said, just in a more judgmental, moralizing, and less charitable (to put it mildly) manner. But you seem to be on the right side of societal norms on this topic, so fair enough.
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06-19-2019 , 07:40 PM
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Actually, he talked about this at length in the Peterson podcast. His point was that pedophilia (or more specifically older authority figure and young man pair bonding, that often trips the line of our societally arbitrary conception of pedophilia) is quietly very prevalent in the gay community, and he articulates very well why he believes this to be the case.

I am more than willing to have this discussion, but I would check with WN first. He might decide the juice isn't worth the squeeze, and I wouldn't blame him.
Man, it’s hard to top the eugenics thread, but this is a solid effort.
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06-21-2019 , 09:19 AM
Sounds like good times in Oregon



Shouldn't the Oath Keepers be helping the state police? If Oregon law says the Republicans can be compelled back to the capital and you're gig is supposedly enshrining the law against tyranny, well that's just logic. Must be something else going on with the Oathkeepers. *scratches chin*
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06-21-2019 , 02:57 PM
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Actually, he talked about this at length in the Peterson podcast. His point was that pedophilia (or more specifically older authority figure and young man pair bonding, that often trips the line of our societally arbitrary conception of pedophilia) is quietly very prevalent in the gay community, and he articulates very well why he believes this to be the case.

I am more than willing to have this discussion, but I would check with WN first. He might decide the juice isn't worth the squeeze, and I wouldn't blame him.
Well... this is problematic, isn't it?
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06-22-2019 , 07:44 PM
Lol to visit on my land please log in to PragerU

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Amid the dispute, some residents emailed the Wilkses, asking permission to cross their property. They were surprised to receive a response suggesting they first visit a popular right-wing website and share their opinions of its content.

The site, PragerU, features videos supporting the hard-lined conservative views of personalities like Ben Shapiro and Dinesh D’Souza. The portal has been heavily financed by the Wilkses.

Mr. Horting, a lifelong conservative, was “insulted,” he said. “I’m not going to give my political views to use your land.”
https://nyti.ms/2Ixqqqe

I did get a laugh out of the suggestion one real estate agent made that the reason why billionaires are buying large parcels of land is because *ahem* everyone knows that resources will be fewer in the future
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06-22-2019 , 10:12 PM
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Lol to visit on my land please log in to PragerU



https://nyti.ms/2Ixqqqe

I did get a laugh out of the suggestion one real estate agent made that the reason why billionaires are buying large parcels of land is because *ahem* everyone knows that resources will be fewer in the future
Lol, this is amazing. It’s like the old AC days, billionaires literally buying up all the property around people and cutting off their access to the world.
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“We want to be good neighbors,” Mr. Wilks said. “I know some people think we haven’t been, just because we haven’t let them freely roam across our property as they saw fit. But I’ll also offer: Do you want me camping in your front yard?”
Lol, this guy’s a billionaire.
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06-23-2019 , 01:55 AM
Yea they mention those guys have houses in Montana, Idaho and Texas and the guy is acting like people going where they always went before, on land he owns but probably has never actually seen personally, is just camping out on the front lawn of some quarter acre plot
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06-23-2019 , 02:01 AM
So there was that gay redneck who ran for President in 2016, made a funny video, and then got arrested for trying to hire a hit man to kill his rival. The Daily Beast did an expose on him and it's batsh*t crazy. Like every paragraph is some horror story and/or something completely nuts.

Just a hint of the story

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Rights groups called the hotel a roadside zoo. In 1997, Lewis, then 60, disappeared without a trace. His children suggested Carole may even have fed him to the tigers
and she's the good one in the story


https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-ex...or-of-them-all
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