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I just want to know where you guys were with Andy Ngo. I remember specifically some of you justifying what occurred to him. so forgive me if I don't actually believe that you're concerned about death threats, but rather your shared ideology is driving your concern.

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07-07-2020 , 11:09 PM

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Social Media is an irredeemable sewer. Any adult that doesn't recognize that and vacate, or who's vocation is dependent on 'tweeting and opining' incessantly, can suffer the consequences.

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07-07-2020 , 11:11 PM

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get a life and contribute, you most useless grifter, zero-impact-having-ever idiot.

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07-07-2020 , 11:12 PM

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I don't find it hard to believe that she received all kinds of abuse in response to her tweet. And I'm sure Shapiro has received some awful messages too.

FFS, you're not going to ruin this moment with a "very bad people on both sides!" in defense of Ben ****ing Shapiro, are you? You've got Rushdie and Atwood cosigning, you should be reveling in that.

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07-07-2020 , 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

I just want to know where you guys were with Andy Ngo.

I was here. Before that, I was also here.

But I also think this is kind of a lame excuse on your part. Other people perhaps being hypocritical (or at least too selective in their concern) isn't really a good reason to be dismissive of VanDerWerff's complaints about receiving threats. Whataboutism is too rampant for sure, but that's kind of why I appreciate someone like Yglesias signing this letter to begin with. In any case, I doubt you can change anyone's mind this way. "Yes, and also..." is probably better than "but what about..."

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07-07-2020 , 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

FFS, you're not going to ruin this moment with a "very bad people on both sides!" in defense of Ben ****ing Shapiro, are you? You've got Rushdie and Atwood cosigning, you should be reveling in that.

I guess nobody here would be surprised to learn that I'm a big Ben Shapiro fan?

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07-07-2020 , 11:20 PM

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I think he's a ****ing idiot, but I'm still happy to condemn death threats against him :P

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07-07-2020 , 11:22 PM

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I get what you're saying, and I would say I might be cynical when it comes to stuff like this, but I just think she's bringing it up to deflect away from the criticism she's received. It seems like manipulation to me. That's my read of the situation. I wasn't really talking about you in particular about Andy Ngo, and I'm pretty sure you know the people I'm talking about. I also don't trust the concern of goofy baller and a few others about this particular person either. I do believe your concern is authentic.

She feels less safe by somebody signing a letter...a letter that basically said hey let's tolerate free speech. That was my first clue.

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07-07-2020 , 11:23 PM

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He talks way too f*cking fast, also

That microchip is sunk-in deep, all his well-rehearsed rejoinders at the ready.

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07-07-2020 , 11:23 PM

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I think he's a ****ing idiot, but I'm still happy to condemn death threats against him :P

For the record:. I CONDEMN DEATH THREATS AGAINST ANYONE.

(My apologies for the CAPS)

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07-07-2020 , 11:27 PM

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thx for sharing that. it would be news if you were in favor of them

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07-07-2020 , 11:28 PM

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At first I was deeply confused as to why Wynton Marsalis was cosigning this. Like, when did #CancelCulture ever come after NPR-friendly jazz musicians? A quick look at his wiki page and it's like, "Ah yes, I see what's going on here."

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When he met Miles Davis, one of his idols, Davis said, "So here's the police..."[5] For his part, Marsalis compared Miles Davis's embrace of pop music to "a general who has betrayed his country."[5] He called rap "hormone driven pop music"[5] and said that hip hop "reinforces destructive behavior at home and influences the world's view of the Afro American in a decidedly negative direction."[17]

My dad likes Wynton, that really should have been my first clue.

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07-07-2020 , 11:30 PM

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but I'm still happy to condemn death threats against him

No one ever, ever doubted this.

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07-07-2020 , 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

forgive me if I don't actually believe that you're concerned about death threats, but rather your shared ideology is driving your concern.

The death threats here are directly relevant to the subject. Journalist tweets about her feelings around this letter, and people who are supposedly against cancel culture turn out in force to try to silence her, including having morons go on internet forums and lie about what she said (multiple times!) to try to make her look bad. lol u

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07-07-2020 , 11:34 PM

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Still curious what rap artists will rap about once all of society's ills are cured.

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07-07-2020 , 11:39 PM

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I'm back at my computer so I can type a bit more fleshed out response.

First, a guy signs a rather tame letter about tolerating dissenting opinions. Next, a journalist decides to coin a letter herself in response, and make the letter about herself, and she explicitly states that dude signing that letter makes her work place less safe. Then she makes the letter to her employer pubic. Then she talks about death threats as response.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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07-07-2020 , 11:49 PM

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I'd like to attend cultural sensitivity training classes, then go out into the world and apply what I've learned in every imaginable social setting.

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07-08-2020 , 12:00 AM

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07-08-2020 , 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

If her intent was to show that the anti-cancel-culture people are just as intolerant as the so-called cancellers, she did a pretty great job judging by the last 50 posts here

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07-08-2020 , 12:12 AM

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intolerance to being untolerated

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07-08-2020 , 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

Well, we have a "rather tame" public letter about tolerating dissenting opinions, and another, imo, rather tame letter about tolerating people who are different. The latter gets death threats, and it's that second letter that's the problem?

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07-08-2020 , 12:23 AM

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If her intent was to show that the anti-cancel-culture people are just as intolerant as the so-called cancellers, she did a pretty great job judging by the last 50 posts here

It went ignored, but this is one of the reasons I brought up DeSean Jackson. There are many on the right that play the same game, as in being part of the cancel culture, they've bought in. They are not "anti-cancel-culture-people". She proved there is a cancel culture.

Again, it's not really just a lefty problem, it's a culture problem that includes people on the right.

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07-08-2020 , 12:25 AM

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As always, there is too much distortion and static in your premise. I've also done a good job of ignoring that from you, and will continue to do so.

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07-08-2020 , 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

The stuff you've classified as "cancel culture" includes criticism that explicitly says not to cancel. No one should take you seriously on the subject.

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07-08-2020 , 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

The stuff you've classified as "cancel culture" includes criticism that explicitly says not to cancel. No one should take you seriously on the subject.

I don't really want to talk about whether or not people take me serious, I don't care. You are not attacking my argument.

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