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07-07-2020 , 09:04 PM

#76

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07-07-2020 , 09:06 PM

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BTW, they trying to cancel Matt Yglesias now.

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07-07-2020 , 09:11 PM

#78

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

BTW, they trying to cancel Matt Yglesias now.

LOL

Criticism isn't cancellation, bro.

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07-07-2020 , 09:13 PM

#79

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

BTW, they trying to cancel Matt Yglesias now.

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Originally Posted by Letter that I guess is trying to "cancel" Matt Yglesias?

I don't want Matt to be reprimanded or fired or even asked to submit an apology.

Zero deviation from the "1 second on Google is enough to tell me your summary of events is disingenuous" script, I see

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07-07-2020 , 10:02 PM

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What the #toxiccult does not say is, the person indicated they do not feel safe as a result. Of course the #toxiccult does not grasp that will force consequences (they do, they are just ignoring that context).

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07-07-2020 , 10:04 PM

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I get that Eric Weinstein's feelings are hurt, but it was a smart move on their part to avoid asking some of the more clowny IDW members to cosign. Bagging Noam Chomsky was a real coup; I can see why WN is a big fan of this effort.

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07-07-2020 , 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

What the #toxiccult does not say is, the person indicated they do not feel safe as a result.

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But his signature being on the letter makes me feel less safe at Vox and believe slightly less in it [sic] stated goals of building a more diverse and more thoughtful workplace.

Strike three. You're out, sorry.

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07-07-2020 , 10:09 PM

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And also, this was totally predictable:

Sending death threats to someone for speaking out against an anti-cancel-culture letter. So much irony!

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07-07-2020 , 10:19 PM

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git some!

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07-07-2020 , 10:20 PM

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A journalist turning oneself into a victim when they make themselves the news story seems to be a predictable outcome.

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07-07-2020 , 10:24 PM

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A journalist turning oneself into a victim when they make themselves the news story seems to be a predictable outcome.

This trans journalist spoke up about how she felt about her workplace and how an important person there affects it, and your stance has been: shut up, you're a toxic canceler, don't complain about those death threats, all while inserting falsehoods into nearly every post.

It would be impressive if it weren't so utterly typical for you.

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07-07-2020 , 10:32 PM

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A journalist turning oneself into a victim when they make themselves the news story seems to be a predictable outcome.

Twitter being awful isn't exactly the same problem as the one the letter is about, but it is still awful and I think one ought to be more sympathetic to the fact that people like Emily VanDerWerff often face the brunt of that, even if you think her complaint about Yglesias signing the letter is unreasonable.

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07-07-2020 , 10:32 PM

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I made the same criticism about Andy Ngo, who was physically assaulted. #toxiccult did not say a word.

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07-07-2020 , 10:36 PM

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Maybe, but I don't believe her. It follows the same pattern as every other sjw journalist who makes themselves the news story. Nobody's crying over the death threats Ben Shapiro receives.

They are critical of somebody, when that criticism is received unfavorably, then they all of a sudden claim to have all these death threats. They never get death threats when the criticism is received favorably.

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07-07-2020 , 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

1. Death threats are ALWAYS evil, and should be taken seriously.

2. Virtually ALL controversial public figures get death threats.

3. As evil and unsettling as death threats are, they are inevitable if one chooses to be a public figure.

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07-07-2020 , 10:44 PM

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I don't find it hard to believe that she received all kinds of abuse in response to her tweet. And I'm sure Shapiro has received some awful messages too. I think it's fine to be a bit dismayed at both (or at least the worst of both), although it may be a nearly insolvable problem with large social media platforms.

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07-07-2020 , 10:46 PM

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I don't believe her.

Strong argument!

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07-07-2020 , 10:46 PM

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I made the same criticism about Andy Ngo, who was physically assaulted. #toxiccult did not say a word.

You guys had such a great opportunity to gaslight the left with this letter, but then you had to come in and give the game away with posts like this.

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07-07-2020 , 10:47 PM

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FWIW, my main issue with the letter is not the content, but my belief it will be futile. You can't negotiate with mobs when they are in a moral panic (which is exactly what this paper is attempting to do), and as such I expect the intended audience for this letter will use this more as a check list for who should be silenced and canceled next than make any meaningful attempt to open a good faith dialogue.

exactly. moreover, all politics are pretty futile these days

people are dug-in, and even the most well-conceived propaganda campaign will not produce consequential change in opinion.

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07-07-2020 , 10:47 PM

#95

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Strong argument!

I would be shocked if she DIDN'T get death threats, sadly.

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07-07-2020 , 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by well named

It's the cost of doing business for a public figure. Doesn't make it right. Why is she bringing it up now? That's a rhetorical question.

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07-07-2020 , 10:51 PM

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Speaking as someone that's received 1/10000th of the abuse and been pretty upset about it, I'm not going to criticize someone for mentioning it in this context.

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07-07-2020 , 10:55 PM

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Like idk where/how you'd search for death threats (Twitter probably nukes those), but every other sort of thing she mentioned in her tweet is verifiably true

https://twitter.com/paul_hundred/sta...09765069029376
https://twitter.com/HanoverAndrew/st...90129200386048
https://twitter.com/marathonman2019/...88730886541312
https://twitter.com/Hoya1789/status/1280687313870258176
https://twitter.com/natebrooks23/sta...95105448325120

So it's boggling (jk, actually totally expected) that itslyinginvegas would go with "nah, she's lying" here

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07-07-2020 , 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by well named

Speaking as someone that's received 1/10000th of the abuse and been pretty upset about it, I'm not going to criticize someone for mentioning it in this context.

I get that. You do understand it's a type 1 type 2 problem, when judging those things, right?

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07-07-2020 , 11:03 PM

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It's not the cost of doing business. Online abuse can be and should be a crime. And the sites can be held responsible as well. It's a serious problem and it has to be addressed.

Not the sort of kiddie tickling that well named receives but real people being threatened and abused in real life.

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