QP, you know this isn’t healthy, right? Take a walk or something.

I'm sorry that you have jumped to the stupidest possible interpretation. Nobody said it was impossible to talk about that left or that no talk should ever be done. Obviously. However, noting how massive the asymmetry between elected majorities and the laws they pass versus some kids talking about transphobia or whatever on an elite campus somewhere, it is completely reasonable that one might choose to focus more on the former.

Let me give an analogy that might help. Imagine there was some issue where one side was causing incredible harm and destruction on the other. And then imagine one spent thousands of posts focusing instead on the one marginal case where maybe, debatably, the harm went the other way. Can you think of any issues like that?

I hope you know that I only find out you have put my name in your mouth again because it is sometimes faster to just search the thread for "uke". Because nobody actually reads these endless D- English Writing 101 essays.

Regardless, I'm always amused by how you manage to blame things like the "don't say gay" bills as nothing but reactionary consequences to the evils of the left, as you imagine them. No bud, the republicans are doing this **** all on their own. Nobody is ever thinking "but but but the college kids heckled too loudly, we need to ban talking about sexual orientation in schools". This is a construct purely of your own mind.

You grade on a curve.

It's true. People who don't know what paragraphs are probably shouldn't pass. But I need to be nice to Cuepee, he has a thing about tone.

Y'all remember that racist, transphobic, right-wing cretin/poster FoldNDark, who, practically daily, launched into 20-paragraph-long diatribes about "the woke mob" and "cancel culture"?

Cuepee making ol' FoldNDark proud. Call it the Cuepee Remix.

And no, man, you can't just ignore the entire massive universe of cultural/social issues that exist in the political sphere and declare yourself on the left. LOL.

QP, all we know about you is that you rail against Facebook Boomer issues like “cancel culture” and transgender stuff. If people think you’re right-wing because you’re indistinguishable from Tucker Carlson, that’s on you.

Looks like I am mentioned as well. I know that my lack of interest in Joe Rogan was frustrating to Cuepee, but I'm not much interested in that lack of interest in Joe Rogan being used as an example of what is wrong with America. Life is too short to go down every rabbit hole that someone on the internet asks you to go down.

One of my other replies to you on this acknowledged that that was his given justification. I said that's fair. You can insert it back in and I don't see how it changes whether he was canceled or not. It doesn't change the timeline of events or the fact that he wasn't denied the job but withdrew because he no longer agreed to the terms. That he feels he did enough apologizing already doesn't mean the people who are offering him the job must accept that as enough.

Btw, this made me look into the substance of his past apologies and I have not found any evidence online of him actually apologizing in the past. There's evidence of him saying he would not make jokes like that anymore and that they were a reflection of his own insecurities but he doesn't actually say he's sorry he made them. If you can find an example of the many times he's apologized prior to the oscar event I'll happily concede on that point but if you can't that goes to prove he either never actually apologized as people have claimed or they are so difficult to find that the academy asking him to clear the air is not unreasonable. I've found this, from admittedly liberal sources:

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...pology/579475/

https://www.vulture.com/2019/01/kevi...degeneres.html

What if a lesbian said something mean about him in 2003?

If I never have to hear about Joe Rogan it will be too soon. Although I guess the general thrust of anxieties about the left as evidenced by students at elite colleges is sort of vintage Cuepee so we are hearing the ideas repeated endlessly here regardless.

Nope.

Not only is what you say false. It is stupid.

You say it is not 'impossible', but by the standard you set as long as the GOP offense is greater (it is) then your argument on only focusing on their transgressions is apt.

That you are unable to connect the most stupid of logic fails in your post and how it is template whataboutism, is on you.

Which is the point of the vas majority of leftist cancel culture.

They make it deliberately so going down every rabbit hole is near impossible as they crush the person under the weight of accusations.

Do you really want to do the research to see if Rogan is a anti vaxxer. Go to it.

Ok now I have to see if he is really a racist. Ok

Wait now, he is a war monger to. OK I will dig in.

The cancel culture left knows few people will do that. So pile on the accusations no matter how specious or even obvious lies hoping they get people who are considered more moderate to say in the public sphere 'the truth likely lies somewhere in between'. Checkmate.

it is going to have significant impact on many to be thought of as probably somewhat racist, anti vax and a war monger. Rogan was big enough to not have to step down, largely because his audience would not cancel him. But if you are Al Frakken or others, you are often forced to step down just to not be a distraction any more as you realize the accusations will not stop. As it is the accusation and not the truth of them that is the weapon.

Just like demanding Kevin Hart apologize IS the tactic. It is not about the actually apology as he has given that maybe a dozen times prior, very publicly. So any pretense of that is a lie. It is about burying him under the accusation. About repeating it over and over and over as if not addressed.

I don't think you know what whataboutisms are. Consider what you said:
Your position is "template whataboutism" at the most general level. It is opposing as a mistake to be criticizing the right without going all WHATABOUT the college kids! They are the worst!

Nonsense. It is perfectly reasonable to focus on criticizing the GOP, given that they are getting majorities passing laws like the "don't say gay bill" that actually cancel certain types of speech. This isn't - contrary to your misinterpretation - the same as suggesting one should never talk about the left, it is saying it is quite reasonable to focus your attention on the more egregious case of actual laws actually being passed without having endless WHATABOUT the excesses of some kids on elite college campuses.

Nope you are confused and do not understand what a whataboutism is.

In a thread I created to discuss 'leftist cancel culture' your arguments that it is not appropriate because 'right does worse' is classic whataboutism.

If you are not smart enough to understand that is on you. I am under no obligation to create what you think would be a more balanced or focused topic because GOP sins are worse.

Be smarter.

I don't view the problem you are describing as a problem for me personally. It's easy enough to figure out which people on the left and the right are prone to playing fast and loose with facts and characterizations. I attach little or no weight to what those people say. If I care enough, I'll dig around for the real answer. But life is short, and sometimes I don't care enough about the issue or have enough time to bother, so I just ignore what those people are saying and move on with life.

Describing anything as far left in this country is kind of silly--aoc and bernie etc are pretty frigging far from leftist geurillas Any other actual articles exist in tiny numbers with basically zero real power.

If you refuse to see the connection/dynamic at play and how they're closely related in this whole thing not much to be accomplished wrt solving it imo.

Sure but you are better informed, less susceptible and more diligent than 90% of the population. The tactic is directed at the broader public who is not. And it is enormously effective, thus why the far left is so emboldened by it.

But even in the Rogan thread, you admitted taking a position based on no data and the representations (unless I mis-remembering) of the guy who then went on to lie about Rogan also being war monger or pro war or whatever characterization he used.

do you just suck at reading comprehension? I wasn’t responding to your OP. I specifically responded to your post where you said it was a mistake to focus on the right without calling out the left. That is both not a mistake - especially when the asymmetry is so large - and also a demand we do a WHATBAOUTTHELEFT.

I never said you were under an obligation. Stopping making up ****. I’m rejecting your claim it is a mistake for me to focus on the right without also calling out the left.

If you want to obsess over college kids or any of your other obsessions, I’m not going to stop you. But it isn’t a mistake to not join you.

This is obviously true with respect to economic systems, social safety nets, health care, etc. It isn't nearly as true with respect to the social issues that tend to preoccupy the right and left wings in the United States.

There are plenty of people outside the United States whose views on economic issues would be extreme left wing by U.S. standards, but whose views would on social issues would be retrograde right wing by U.S. standards.

None of your data or theories have value, since they are always teeming with your personal agendas and assumptions, and producing a massive volume of sentence paragraphs on your part will not change that. Just a variant of the derps in BFI who talked (often out of context) about studies from Liechtenstein to serve their agenda of the moment.

All the best.

Maybe Cuepee should stop worrying about the the FarLeft here and focus on delivering himself and his fellow Canadians from the grips of the LiteralCommunism of socialized healthcare before the gulags start

A lot of conservatives claim to be fiscally conservative&socially liberal these days. Apparently they still can't bring themselves to admit that more or less describes the Ds. Economically the Rs/Ds are basically not all that far apart. But with the Rs all of that social conservatism comes along for the ride

Maybe it's a bias of mine but I expect it from the right while it's still more of a shock coming from the liberals. Also the breadth and depth of the liberal bullying tactics have been just extraordinary and become interesting in their own right.

It's still going on but it's a pale shadow now with no mod backing. Just have to enjoy trolley's suggestion that tuker carlson keeps banging on about wanting trump to be prosecuted. And monty is still helping me with my drinking habit.

I think the problem with the Rights cancel culture is it is generally designed to stop people from exposing problems and creating positive change from a perceived negative attribute of the status quo. And it is usually done through the control of the laws or police.

I also think the Left cancel culture tactics have been ramped up because they have had some national success with using it to control people's thoughts and words. Lefties want purity of thought from their flock and use it to cast everyone who says words that hurt or thoughts that unacceptable as bad and evil, making themselves the force of good in the fight.

I am more concerned about a person's actions rather than their moral beliefs and word choice. As most of the cancel culture on the left is over something someone said (10 years ago), I don't real worry about comedians, musicians and actors who make millions in the public sphere being cancelled. I will still buy, watch and listen to those I feel provide me proper entertainment without worrying about a insensitive joke they did ten years ago or some stray remark on twitter. One instance of stepping across the perceived line of decency does not make a person a racist, bigot or whatever purity test the ukes and trolls of the world make up to give themselves a sense of superiority. It just means they are human and fallible.

No I don't actually. You suck at logic.

This thread is the topic. So when you keep trying to inject the idea that instead of discussing this, we should be focused on the right because they are worse, I am going to call you on your whataboutism. When you then try to say I don't know what that is and you define the whataboutism as me continuing to engage the thread topic, I will laugh at you.

So this is me, laughing at you.