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11-29-2021 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
I'm not so sure but then I do not understand the various distinctions in Manslaughter charges and think I saw it argues that Rittenhouse likely would have been convicted with a lesser negligence/manslaughter type charge???

Where I struggle with what you say is how much weight I would put on perfect or imperfect knowledge.

For instance

Scenario - man with conceal carry witnesses a man, he thinks an active shooter kill someone, while firing at others. He engages in the hopes of getting the man to stop and surrender but kills him when the 'shooter' points his gun at him.


Outcome 1 - turns out the guy was a very bad guy and active shooter. Man who killed him is treated like a hero and praised.

Outcome 2 - turns out the guy was an innocent person in the midst of self defense against others trying to kill him. He mistook the 'good guy with a gun' (conceal carry guy) for one of the bad guys when he pointed his gun and was killed


In both instances the conceal carry guy is acting with a pure intent and that is to help arrest and stop an active shooter.

Would he go to jail for Outcome 2 and that mistake when he would be praised for the exact same outcome in 1???

Seems like terrible result based thinking scenario to put a citizen in.
Well, there's always prosecutorial and sentencing discretion along with jury nullification, so I wouldn't say it's inevitable that he'd get charged and convicted or even go to jail but the elements sure seem to be present. For instance, suppose Huber ko'd Rittenhouse with his skateboard and the entire fiasco ended with that. If the prosecution and then the jury found that Rittenhouse was justified shooting Rosenbaum, Huber would've probably been convicted of assault.
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11-29-2021 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
Who said I'm in love with an AR15? Also, tense matters when people speak. Saying "was" used in the military does not mean it still "is" used in the military.



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Doubling down on stupid.

Okay, enough is enough. I'll stop.
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11-29-2021 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Doubling down on stupid.

Okay, enough is enough. I'll stop.
Which part confused you?
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11-30-2021 , 01:44 PM
Fact 1 - Rittenhouse was 100% legally allowed to carry the gun he was carrying.


Fact 2 - Rittenhouse didn't discharge his weapon until he was physically attacked.



Facts don't care about your feelings, leftist morons.
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11-30-2021 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by NutPeddler217
Fact 1 - Rittenhouse was 100% legally allowed to carry the gun he was carrying.


Fact 2 - Rittenhouse didn't discharge his weapon until he was physically attacked.



Facts don't care about your feelings, leftist morons.
Damn, nobody thought to mention this in the last 1800+ posts. Thank god you showed up!

If you're as good at reading hands as you are at reading threads, I can see why you need to nut peddle.
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11-30-2021 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by NutPeddler217
Fact 1 - Rittenhouse was 100% legally allowed to carry the gun he was carrying.


Fact 2 - Rittenhouse didn't discharge his weapon until he was physically attacked.



Facts don't care about your feelings, leftist morons.
Could you describe how Rosenbaum “physically” attacked Kylie? Did he body slam him? Shove him hard? Punch him?
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11-30-2021 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by NutPeddler217
Fact 1 - Rittenhouse was 100% legally allowed to carry the gun he was carrying.


Fact 2 - Rittenhouse didn't discharge his weapon until he was physically attacked.



Facts don't care about your feelings, leftist morons.

Define leftist.
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11-30-2021 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
Which part confused you?
I'm not confused. Thanks though.
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11-30-2021 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Define leftist.
You know you're a leftist when you get mad someone defends themselves with a firearm.

You know you're a leftist when you HATE the fact you can carry a firearm to defend yourself.

You know you're a leftist when the first thing you do is try to prosecute the person defending themselves.

There's a lot more to it, that's beyond the scope of this thread.
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11-30-2021 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by NutPeddler217
You know you're a leftist when you get mad someone defends themselves with a firearm.

You know you're a leftist when you HATE the fact you can carry a firearm to defend yourself.

You know you're a leftist when the first thing you do is try to prosecute the person defending themselves.

There's a lot more to it, that's beyond the scope of this thread.
Can you do the same for "ignorant dickhead" please?
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11-30-2021 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
I'm not confused. Thanks though.
You want to talk about the M4 now?
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11-30-2021 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
You want to talk about the M4 now?
Feel free to fill me in.
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11-30-2021 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
Curious to the Deuces, QP, and Flushes... was Ashli Babbitt murdered in cold blood or killed in order to defend others?
I think ideally she might have been spared. However, she was killed in the defense of the sovereignty of the American people. It's only in retrospect that we can get a sense of what kind of threat that mob represented, although even now it's not entirely clear. When you decide to seize a capital building in order to block the consensus-legitimate transfer of power you are exposing yourself and others to a lot of danger, uncertainty, and fear. Extreme actions should expect extreme reactions.

From that perspective Rittenhouse was level jumping, like when you make fun of your buddy for farting too much and, embarrassed, he goes straight to bringing up that time you were caught jerking off in a museum. Someone tried to intimidate KR (probably in response to KR's implied intimidation of the gun), maybe get into a fist fight with him. Rittenhouse level jumped to no, I'm going to end you as a phenomenon for all time. While Babbitt raised the stakes extremely high in what looked like a coup attempt, Rosenbaum just took things up one notch.
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11-30-2021 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by NutPeddler217
Fact 1 - Rittenhouse was 100% legally allowed to carry the gun he was carrying.


Fact 2 - Rittenhouse didn't discharge his weapon until he was physically attacked.



Facts don't care about your feelings, leftist morons.
And what was that physical attack? Is chasing someone a physical attack. I didn't know you conservatives were that sensitive. Then again, between Rittenhouse and the clowns who are now answering for Charlottesville I've seen enough male crying for awhile.
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11-30-2021 , 09:47 PM
Wow, the troll was pretty successful.

Not that I'm judging - I'm guilty of having provided them a small snack in another thread earlier today.
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11-30-2021 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Feel free to fill me in.
It's more entertaining to listen to you shoot from the hip.

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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
I think ideally she might have been spared. However, she was killed in the defense of the sovereignty of the American people. It's only in retrospect that we can get a sense of what kind of threat that mob represented, although even now it's not entirely clear. When you decide to seize a capital building in order to block the consensus-legitimate transfer of power you are exposing yourself and others to a lot of danger, uncertainty, and fear. Extreme actions should expect extreme reactions.

From that perspective Rittenhouse was level jumping, like when you make fun of your buddy for farting too much and, embarrassed, he goes straight to bringing up that time you were caught jerking off in a museum. Someone tried to intimidate KR (probably in response to KR's implied intimidation of the gun), maybe get into a fist fight with him. Rittenhouse level jumped to no, I'm going to end you as a phenomenon for all time. While Babbitt raised the stakes extremely high in what looked like a coup attempt, Rosenbaum just took things up one notch.
I'd say anyone who charges a person with an AR15 is raising it to Babbitt-level stakes. She should have known that three cops with their weapons drawn beyond doors that are barricaded, that nothing good would come about it. From a psychological standpoint, I'm curious what she had intended to do when she hopped through the window... charge the cop? Talk mean?

Rosenbaum, I'd say that was his 3rd suicide attempt.
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11-30-2021 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by NutPeddler217
You know you're a leftist when you get mad someone defends themselves with a firearm.

You know you're a leftist when you HATE the fact you can carry a firearm to defend yourself.

You know you're a leftist when the first thing you do is try to prosecute the person defending themselves.

There's a lot more to it, that's beyond the scope of this thread.
So leftists don't use guns ?
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12-01-2021 , 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
I'd say anyone who charges a person with an AR15 is raising it to Babbitt-level stakes. She should have known that three cops with their weapons drawn beyond doors that are barricaded, that nothing good would come about it. From a psychological standpoint, I'm curious what she had intended to do when she hopped through the window... charge the cop? Talk mean?
I've tried to guess at what those people were thinking but I haven't come up with much. On the one hand they were fighting cops and repelling up the side of the building. On the other hand they were minding the walkway ropes as if they were taking a guided tour. Something Trump doesn't get enough strategic credit for is building a coalition which is more ideologically diverse than the other side realizes, and so she could have been nutty any number of ways. I think she was feeding off the energy of the crowd. She submitted to what she felt the hive mind was willing in the moment, which at that point was simply to go further up and further in.

If she thought she was protected by her demographic caste you could hardly blame her. The cops are supposed to protect her and harshly enforce the rules on POC, even during an insurrection. She might have been so invested in the cultural war that she was totally incognizant of the class war.
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12-01-2021 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by MHE
Every weekend in America guys get drunk in bars and puff out their chests, get into it with other guys and say the words, "I'm gonna kill you." Does that give the other guy the right to kill the man who said those words?

Just let this sink in, a man who was unarmed, never harmed a hair on KR's little head, is dead. What action or actions did he take that put KR in grave danger? The answer is none. And when a man does nothing more than run his mouth and gets killed, we call that murder.

You are absolutely right on the first paragraph I see what you are saying. you are right but I saw also that supposedly GG chased him with a skateboard and almost hit him while kr was running, also that one witness on the stand said that earlier kr wasnt really engaging him has much as I thought(the one people in internet were dooming and glooming over). unless something else happened earlier where kr was a big instigator or something happened that I dot know about or missed in the trial.

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Originally Posted by Cuepee
The video is a very good analysis of all sides and not that long, you should watch it.

It does not propose an alternate reality situation as you do here though. It deals with the situation as it rolled it. With Gaige, as it played out pulling the trigger first when KR was on the ground and killing him. Gaige is now on trial for murder and makes a claim of self defense. He was chasing, what he was convinced was an active shooter. When he caught up to that active shooter to arrest him, the guy pointed his AR at him and was about to kill him, and he fired in self defense.

The question is could a jury be convinced that is what he believed or better yet beyond a shadow of any doubt that he did NOT believe that and thus was guilty?
very interesting. i understand, i guess the guy chasing the active shooter has way bigger balls than I ever would in that situation. I posted my above thoughts to the situation I thought to my initial post a few days ago
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12-03-2021 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
I am quite certain that unless microbet posts here I am the biggest leftie on the forum. I’d put slighted second.
Hey Bryce!

I do post here. Sometimes. I've tried to give up arguments about what left-right are. They just mean different things to different people. My preferred usage is based on the origin that the people who wanted to distribute power more broadly were on the left side of the King at the National Constitutive Assembly in Revolutionary France 1789 and people who wanted more concentrated power were on the right and fundamentally that's what they mean: relatively more or less egalitarian distribution of power.

But, a lot of people mean different things and I find some people who consider themselves not-leftists do embrace a lot of ideas which would distribute power more broadly and some people who consider themselves leftists embrace concentrations of power.

Shrug.
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12-03-2021 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by NutPeddler217
You know you're a leftist when you get mad someone defends themselves with a firearm.

You know you're a leftist when you HATE the fact you can carry a firearm to defend yourself.

You know you're a leftist when the first thing you do is try to prosecute the person defending themselves.

There's a lot more to it, that's beyond the scope of this thread.
A lot of people who call themselves leftists own guns and believe in defending themselves and other people (but not property!).
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12-04-2021 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by the pleasure
unless something else happened earlier where kr was a big instigator or something happened that I dot know about or missed in the trial.
I don't know if it was allowed to be talked about in the trial but that day before sundown KR was confronted by a small group of people who said that he pointed his gun at their car earlier in the day (maybe the day before, I don't remember the details) and they were not too happy about it. Whether it's true or not doesn't matter because word would have gotten out within the protestors that the young kid with the AR was pointing his gun at people and kind of made him a marked man.
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12-04-2021 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Wow, the troll was pretty successful.

Not that I'm judging - I'm guilty of having provided them a small snack in another thread earlier today.
I don't think homie is trolling. He is just a certifiable moron.
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12-04-2021 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
They're all always pieces of garbage, but personally if I went into the house, I'd just call the cops and have them handle it rather than blast my stepson's father away. If you think there isn't a jury in the US that wouldn't convict him, then you're living on a different planet.
Might have been smarter but it was his house. I assume 49 states he would not get charged. It helps he is in Texas were I think you can shoot someone in the back for stealing your tv as long at it is night. (I think)
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12-04-2021 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Non psychos can see how, if no gun is brought to this volatile domestic argument, that no one needs to die.

Non psychos can understand people can have emotional breaks from reality especially when it comes to issues of kids and custody and fulfillment.

If you have no empathy for the guy in the moment who has lost it fine, but my broader point with that video was to show how the gun just made it worse and not better.

BTW I am not so convinced this guy does not get charged with murder for that execution despite everything you said being true as you left out one clear point which is the guy who was killed had disengaged and space was developing between the two and he was not reengaging at the time of the shooting. This shooting looks more like a '**** you for grabbing my gun' then a, 'I felt my life was in immediate danger'.

But Texas gonna Texas and if they do charge him I would expect him to get off.
If he did not come out with a gun then both would be alive. He also did not commit a crime while doing it. The rest is a personal ethics question
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