The wikipedia definition and mine don't differ too much. And it's hardly idiosyncratic. And it's interesting to me how much you're caught up in connotations...as if the subject just can't be approached neutrally or that academics haven't done that going back 40 years.

Literally.

Breaking news: man wears shirt, goes to see film.

Right. I caught Dillahunty once...him and his radio show cohost had made and endorsed a tweet about how bad elon musk has made twitter. Well I pointed out to them that they clear don't like free speech.

They gave a response like yours here and said 'You are misinterpreting the tweet and our sentiments.' I said you have complete chance to clarify. Dillahunty said to me my intellect isn't worthy and blocked me immediately. As I continued with the other cohost he stayed just long enough to do damage control with a sincere fan I drug into the dialogue, and then told me I have to call into the show if I want to continue.

The ironic thing is I have a buddy that would have similar "I can' see anything, I'm blind" sentiments...but he won't debate me...instead he tells me I need to call into Dillahunty's show.

This is to the point of question of 'what IS identity politics'

I would think this would be 100% identity politics but this group convinced me otherwise. If this is identity politics, I would think barbie is absolutely. I think now its not far to argue barbie isn't, without opining on this scenario.

ok what would be tho.

There is no actual "Identity politics" it's a political term used to try and minimize efforts to obtain civil rights. It's nonsense. It's a distraction.

Right.....that's the joke.

What about trudeau and his son in a photo servering soup in a kitchen and he posts on twitter?

Stereotypical Barbie ("Barbie") and fellow dolls reside in Barbieland, a matriarchal society populated by different versions of Barbies, Kens, and a group of discontinued models, who are treated like outcasts due to their unconventional traits. While the Kens spend their days playing at the beach, considering it their profession, the Barbies hold prestigious jobs such as doctor, lawyer, and politician. Beach Ken ("Ken") is only happy when he is with Barbie and seeks a closer relationship, but Barbie rebuffs him in favor of other activities and female friendships.

One evening at a dance party, Barbie is suddenly stricken with worries about mortality. Overnight, she develops bad breath, cellulite, and flat feet, disrupting her usual routines the next day. Weird Barbie, an outcast due to her disfigurement, tells her she must find the child playing with her in the real world to cure her afflictions. Ken stows away in her convertible to join her, to which Barbie reluctantly agrees.

Arriving at Venice Beach, Barbie punches a man for groping her, leading to her and Ken's brief arrest. Alarmed by their presence, Mattel's CEO orders their recapture. Barbie tracks down her owner, a tween girl named Sasha, who criticizes her for encouraging unrealistic beauty standards. Distraught, Barbie discovers that Gloria, a Mattel employee and Sasha's mother, inadvertently catalyzed her existential crisis after Gloria began playing with Sasha's old Barbie toys in a similar state. Mattel attempts to put Barbie in a toy box for remanufacturing, but she escapes with Gloria and Sasha's help and the three travel to Barbieland with Mattel executives in pursuit.

Meanwhile, Ken learns about the patriarchal system and feels respected for the first time. Returning to Barbieland, he persuades the other Kens to take over, and the Barbies are indoctrinated into submissive roles, such as agreeable girlfriends, housewives, and maids. Barbie arrives and unsuccessfully tries to convince Ken and the other Barbies to return to the way things were. She becomes depressed, but Gloria gives an inspirational speech about society's conflicting expectations of women, which restores Barbie's self-confidence.

So it's a movie with explicitly political themes dealing with women, the prime minister of a nation tweets pictures of himself and his son wearing pink--which apparently everyone was doing.

But this can't possibly be identity politics-- because what even is politics? Who knows? Probably just something some right wingers made up. And people wear shirts to movies all the time. And people upload photos. And who can say what Trudeau's motivations were. Just because you wear a color representing women to a movie supporting women and then tweet a photo of yourself, that's a real stretch to call that identity politics.

I don't know what you are trying to say.

I'm still kinda struggling to see how any of what you described is a bad thing. Does supporting women mean you're against poor people? What is the actual egregious act here?

ur right I should have said like 'perfect' or 'cookie-cutter' I love it when we use the word literally wrong this, my buddy shinobi does it all the time.

Nono...you cut out the context again. Not a perfect strawman, but its not man wears shirt goes to see film. Thats missing parts.

Ya, but of course if you remove all of the context of the times. Its just a father and son wearing pink. So I understand that. Its insane.

Its not these people are 'left', and we are 'right/conservative'....and thats also what my buddy thinks, but furthermore that the left is morally right, which trumps reason, trumps rights,
blinders are justified...

etc. but its not that...

we are heading for a trainwreck together...all of us. And the force is ignorance.

Man wears pink shirt, goes to see pink-themed film. Weird people get weird hang-ups.

Why do you keep saying this? No one here said its a bad a thing. A left leaning person said that right leaning people use it as a bad thing seemingly. Seemingly more etc.

You need an example where this kind of politics is bad? or you need to be told its not intrinsically bad?

That its the prime minister is certainly critical context mr blinders on.

You are pretending you can't see. I don't believe you.

If the force is ignorance, MAGAheads are the locomotive and everyone else is desperately trying to decouple the carriages.

As has been pointed out ITT, "identity politics" is used as a pejorative.

It's also a completely standard term that's been used since the 1970's.

It seems to have gathered a lot of traction with the right wing in the last few years. Or maybe I'm only just noticing it.

You can participate. I'll make sure no one makes fun you. Its ok.

All the best.

Right. Either identity politics includes things as banal as a politician's "look at me" Intsagram post, or it's a political strategy used to divide people. If it's the latter, well, that picture isn't even close. If it's the former...who ****ing cares?

An excellent point that is easily lost in all of this. It's a term that's thrown around so casually now, I've gotten sucked into thinking it matters.

Do you think it's possible to approach the subject with a bit of nuance or does it need to be one extreme or the other?

well there was a context to our reason to ask. but i think whether its important or not can't be established before the definition.

It would have confirmed my suspicion if the majority had voted, that its not a real thing too.

But it can't really be said to be a bizarre assertion if there isn't a well defined meaning to it in a poll voters mind I think.