It also doesn't work like this in our democracies. There are checks and balances against majority determining truth

Didn't you say that he was right and that it doesn't matter?

If we are coaching people on how to forum, I have an honest bit of advice. People will have a better understanding of what you are saying if you avoid deliberately vague terms like "left-leaning framework" and vague referents like "this" in the post above.

I don't know what "this" means in the context of your post.

Please don't tap the tank bro. I have been amused all day by the guy who can't spell "ridiculous" or form a grammatically correct sentence waxing lyrical about "illuminating and dissolving frameworks" (which is part of his "work", dontcha know).

Nah, he nailed it perfectly. It's a dumb pejorative that right-wingers (i.e., you) parrot out, much like "woke" or "critical race theory." The frustration is that you guys somehow think these euphemisms fool anyone. Kind of like how you think you can call yourself a leftist while rattling off Boomer Facebook grievances about the Barbie movie and that's going to fool everyone.

far left uses it too. or at least they attempt to understand and define it.

Why would you actually think he wants people to understand him, rather than believe he is speaking in an advanced way that is beyond the comprehension of the regular folk, which then he can educate in his special way when they reply. Lucky kind of does the same schtick, albeit with a bit more self awareness.

This is just a standard weird thread started by a weird OP, which included a poll where nearly everyone (of various political beliefs) picked the "OP is bizarre" choice, and then the weird posters doubled down on the weird and got the standard amusement/troll replies. Basically, this is a poor man's version of every thread that Skalansky dude creates, with the same results.

I don't recall saying that he was right. I recall saying what I said.

My main objection is to the disingenuousness of this type of argument, which goes something like the following:

Argument: X is an example of Y.

Response: In common parlance, Y is almost always described a bad thing. I don't think X was a bad thing.

Argument: I am not describing X as a bad thing or defining Y as a bad thing.

Response: OK. Then I guess it doesn't matter. Call it whatever you want.

Argument: Great. I'm glad we agree that it is appropriate to describe X as an example of Y.


This sort of argument is not a proof. It's just a bullshit semantic game.

You're wrong about the common parlance thing... That's just bizarre really. Maybe it's because at one point I was majoring in Polisci, but I cannot remember a time in my life where I wasn't familiar with the concept of identity politics... I'm sure it was probably just high school or something but the idea that this is some new invention that right wingers have made up is just insane and evidence that you're in a weird bubble.

I am of a divided mind on this point. On the one hand, no one could expect anyone to understand the following:

On the other hand, no one could reasonable expect anyone to interpret that post as "speaking in an advanced way."

You're also wrong that that isn't a valid argument.

Even if identity politics was predominately used as you allege, your argument is nonsensical.

Things don't have to be "good" or "bad" to be able to discuss them, make arguments about them, attempt to define them, etc. Thinking that they do is just weird. I suppose it points to a dualistic good vs bad worldview but you don't strike me as normally thinking that way.

The term obviously existed long before the modern derposphere. It wasn't invented by the modern right or the modern left. I have no doubt that I could find the term used in academic articles and books from 25 or 30 years ago.

But it is equally incontestable that the term is almost always a pejorative when used by the modern right wing derposphere.

He believes he is speaking in an advanced way. Nobody else does, other than Lucky hinting it for him to do his own variant of the same routine, where he entices replies and then he answers questions directed to him with questions. This OP, in contrast, utilizes gobbledygook statements featuring incorrectly spelled easy words (without irony). Different approach, but the same routine in the end.

Again, all this does is mimic every Skalansky thread, and in fact I think d2 is recycling some of the material he uses in those train wreck threads. The poll was an amusing twist, but otherwise - seems business as usual for this style of thread created by this type of OP.

You completely missed my point. I'll leave it to others to decide whether that was intentional.

Not purposely, but it's only to be expected that similar stimuli will elicit similar responses.

Who the f goes to a Barbie movie?

Of course. I recycle a lot of stuff when dealing with riggies. No real point wasting energy when stock replies get the job done.

At least washoe is here now to bring his personal brand of thinking into this mess!

Clearly you haven't been paying attention. He went to do identity politics.

Given the film has grossed nearly a billion and a half bucks (highest grossing film for WB in 100 years) - seems the identity politics industry is thriving!

People, but what most seem to be calling the left, and many self identify with left who do this, seem to have the belief that popular opinion should define truth and rights.

Thinking the poll should directly determine truth would be this line of invalid reasoning.

It's the same as thinking that our democracy should be run by majority rules, there is a reason especially for example the us doesn't

Are you writing in code?

If so, it's a very good code. Impenetrable, in fact.

I always wonder if I am actually so bad at grammer and writing. When ask I chatgtp it yes I am using words wrong. When ask "are u sure" it says actually it's just advanced and old style etc.

Right and yet we can't understand my point about how taken directly the poll is invalid.

The words you're using are perfectly fine. I've just never seen them in that order.

Don't be afraid to participate. It's ok to be wrong sometimes. It happens to us all. All the best