A good chunk of conspiracies are anti-science beliefs (or pro-fake science stuff he tries to sell to his derps) and the portion of people from the far right in that camp are quite a bit larger than the extreme hippies from the left.

I guess I would ask you this, when you come accross a full blown conspiracy addict like Luckybox or washoe (have they ever been in a room at the same time...) - is your first inclination to believe they are on the right or left side when it comes to politics?

That is a really good point. Democrats have purity tests, if you are right wing on one point you are often labeled as right wing. Republicans have loyalty tests, you can do pretty much whatever as long as you fall in line and vote when the time comes. I think the Al Franken resignation really illustrated that. To me that was peak Democrats being too pure for their own good.

With Joe Rogan, the n word/planet of the apes stuff really bothers me. Wasn't going to cancel my Spotify over the vaccine stuff but now I am seriously considering it. Going to wait and see how this plays out. I am contrasting it to the Woopie Goldberg comments. She said something wrong, but clearly in good faith. She learned from it and made a sincere apology that shows she understood why she was wrong. I have zero problem forgiving her and hope most people feel the same. In contrast it doesn't feel like Rogan even knows why what he said was so hurtful.

Not directed at me, but it kind of sucks that the right wing automatically captures all the derps. I have always felt the left needs to actually make a play at them. Have their own derp magnets. Spread their own Bigfoot is colluding with the Illumanti and Trump type ****. Learn from professional wrestling, set up storylines with heroes and villains. Because the right wing is doing all of that and is crushing in that demographic.

Tricky to do for the left, as most of their fringy derp equivalent will be the people who are into alternative eating/lifestyle or drinking their own pee to save the planet. Those are much harder to get regular schmoes to latch onto than chanting "fake news" and "lock her up!"

Currently yes, but it is because the right has captured all of those types and the left only took the hippy pee drinkers. No reason that that something like "fake news" or "lock her up" has to even be right wing. The left could have used those exact same chants. In the US history there were left wing populists like William Jennings Bryan talking about being crucified on a cross of gold. I don't think these people are naturally right, I just think the right got them. I mean somehow the right wing even took Jesus, the long haired hippie commie preaching against the rich and powerful. That one should have been a slam dunk for the left.

That’s the whole point. It’s not at all automatic. The right is putting in a ton of work to recruit these people. Before Covid anti-vax was as much left as it was right. But leaders on the right are seeing that perhaps most of their primary voters think Obama was born in Africa, that Trump actually won in 2020 etc and are adopting vax skeptical positions. So it’s no surprise that someone like Rogan is going to find common ground with things that are increasingly mainstream on the right, but really really fringe in the rest of society. It’s completely by design.

And one of the reasons it’s harder to sell conspiracies theories to democrats is diversity. Like a 20 something white single gay guy in in Brooklyn and a 60 something married black pastor with 2 kids in Georgia are both likely to prefer Dems. But it’s going to be very tough to sell them on the same conspiracy theory. Way harder than it would be to sell one to two people of more similar cultural backgrounds.

Simply not true. The Republican 2016 candidates were almost all subscribing to various anti-vax positions, none of the Dems were.

I found Jim Acosta's account of things disturbing and as bad as any Fox type propaganda.

He just played a string of 2 to 3 words clips of Joe saying ni**er with no context leading people to believe Joe was using it as a pejorative.

Jim himself kept saying 'Joe use the NWord' over and over. The only difference between the two is joe says the word in that spot.


Jim Acosta - That guy just said the 'nWord' as pejorative and that is wrong, and by the nWord i mean the actual word
Joe- the guy just said ni**er as pejorative and that is wrong.


Acosta is then clipping what Joe said to 1 word before or after ni**er and trying to get other to form the opinion joe was being racist.


As a black person, I see zero difference in the approach and think the extra explanation necessary by Acosta is often redundant and dumb.

I can google ni**er and the word shows up in dictionaries as it should. It does not say 'Nword but we mean the actual word and not the political correct form' and in any discussion on the words usage no one should be treated as if racist for saying the word instead of playing these silly games of 'the Nword, but the actual word and not the PC version' over and over to actually explain what was said.


This is a disgraceful leftist woke shaming, blood in the water tactic, where they looked back at years and years of these long form discussions by Joe, in a format what would almost certainly expose anyone racist or with other huge exploitable issues, especially since so much of it is pre meetoo when people were less cautious, and they could find so little to indict Joe legitimately that they they could only focus on very deliberate purposely crafting of his statements in a false narrative that he is racist.

I understand that a lot of the CT stuff is grifting.

Honestly I would never assume any CTers is automatically more likely to be left leaning than right.

We might, at this point in time make that bet as the Trumposphere is pushing out most (Qanon) but historically I would not argue political leaning at all. I would have to look at each individual.

Lucky I would say is a very much a dupe of the right, despite I am sure, he would hate being labeled as right. Washoe I could not even begin to peg. But perhaps that is because i don't often engage when I find he goes off the reservation as some of you do.

See my prior post re the NWord use and why I think that is silly to indict him over.

Re the 'planet of the apes' comment if you are not inclined to accept his mea culpa about what he meant and his clumsy offensive non thought out use, that is fine.

But again I am inclined to look at Joe's entire history of speech and he arguably has more long form speech people can comb thru than 99.99% of the public. I happen to believe even someone mildly racist is going to trip up and expose themselves in his format. Instead his long history shows him to be extremely supportive of all peoples as equal. the guy is basically a hippy in the peace and love for all narrative of mankind as a species without race considerations.

Because I was an avid MMA fan from near the inception of the Sport, when it was legally banned, I have listened to Joe, since the very beginning. As a POC, I would have no issues working for Joe and thinking my career would be limited in upward potential based on him holding race based biases. None.

Rogan is naturally going to edge to the extremes of controversial. That is who he is. That is who he was long before anyone heard of Qanon or the right coopted most of the conspiracy stuff.

Joe is a pot smoking, every natural drug taking advocate who believes no human understands the worlds truths as much as those who have taken 'drug induced trips' do. He believes that is the only way to have certain truths reveal themselves to you in very much the 50/60's California left leaning Hippie type way.


that his beliefs no draw an ever increasing right leaning young male audience, as Trump and his derposphere are good at coopting the CT stuff, does then make Joe a righty.


However since most of the rabbit hole CT stuff coming out now is being curated by the right and coopted by the right and they are relying on an army of grifters, with varying forms of credibility (scientist, etc) to substantiate the stuff, I think Joe will continue to have big problems in this area. Thus why it is more important than ever, and he has acknowledged this, for him to bring on opposing voices to counter some of the narrative. As I think the right grifters are and will target him as a method to get their grift out and hide behind their bonafides as a shield that Rogen is all too willing to accept in his desire to always hear countering voices to any mainstream narrative.

The weird thing is they pulled down i heard over 70 of his Podcasts not all use the N word. They pulled an episode from Kyle Kilinsky and a few others that seem strange

Will see in a year were legacy media is and were Joe Rogan is. I read Rumble (which I have never heard of) has an offer ready of a 100 million.

Reality is I see him at 20 million in a year and some legacy media outlets losing more ratings

Jimmy Dore, Breaking Point, all the usual lotube derp o money suspects all got Cuepees back in this "debate."

i think you got me confused with lozen O.A.F.K as my argument is not that this is some big MSM attempt to punish Joe. Mine is this is what actual left cancel culture. Not the stuff those on the right usually mislabel as cancel culture such as Neil Young using free speech to tell Spotify he wanted Rogan gone of he was gone.

I argued against Derps that is the ultimate free speech and free association.

My positions are simply. Rogan is not a person who is properly labeled as being right simply because some of his derpy CT and other stuff enrages some libz.

Second his apology has triggered a lefty feeding frenzy where they are being incredible dishonest in trying to frame his use of the Nword as racist.

You are missing the point, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say there is cross talk in this debate, you are making claims about Rogan the person, whereas others are making claims about messaging of Rogan the brand etc.

Being cognisant of the messaging of Rogan the brand, then you understand why other derp o sphere brands are going into bat for him, whilst non derp o sphere brands are doing the opposite.

ive only seen like 5-6 breaking points clips but i am surprised at how "non biased" they usually are. I do think they both lean moderate but they seem to eb okay with taking pot shots at whoever they want. but i have small sample size

QFT. The cancel culture is not about what was said, why it was said and in what context it was said, but who said it.

Your position here is just nonsense. Sorry it is. You are trying to stretch a rationalization to say since Joe's position gets support from the DerpoSphere that is the overriding consideration that allows someone like e_d to label him Right or not.

Politics and controversies can make for strange bedfellows.

The NAACP may enjoy support from the Nazi's when they fight for their free speech but that does not mean then that the NAACP are Nazis.

Rogan's positions are not tightly aligned with the Derposphere, but their defiance of the control of the accepted gov't supported science positions are. It is the latter that drives the bulk of perceived alignment.


1 - . Rogan is not anti vax. The Derposphere is. So they are opposed.
2 - Rogan does believe however there are more considerations for people such as young males and kids that need to be considered and weighted versus just taking the vaccine. The Derpsoshere does not agree with this position and just think it should not be taken but they appreciate it is at least in defiance of the Gov't and Science as it has evolved.
3 - Rogan brings on "experts" who give voice to directly oppositional science (some propaganda) that inform his view - This is the main area the Derposphere loves and that fuels them that is aligned with Joe. They both agree with that.

The Derposphere will go to bat for anyone who is seen to be being attacked by what they view as a "woke mob" and even more so for anyone perceived to be giving them the middle finger.

What you guys are saying is basically it is not possible for a lefty to be uninformed and ignorant on covid and draw support to those positions from Derps and yet then still be considered a lefty and that to me is nonsense.

If what is posited above is to be taken as the definer of a person, is Robert Kennedy Jr a creature of the Right? Is that lifelong or just the minute he exposed he is a vaccine denier?



As you can make no mistake here, e_d was talking about the PERSON, joe rogan being a righty. He was not merely saying that Joe's positions on covid get more support from the Right than the left as do RFKJr's on vaccines.



If the standard is we must ignore all their political positions and just focus on their Covid or General vax stance to define them, that is nonsense. Those are by definition the types of Purity Tests the left are often properly called out on.

YOu can be on the Left and yet hold some positions especially on things that are not political topics like Covid and Vaccines and still be on the left. You can be absolutely wrong and even batsh*t crazy on those positions and yet still be on the left. that you crazy views on this issues might be used by Derps on the Right for their political goals does not make Covid nor Vaccine positions ones of the political left or right. They are not. Neither covid belief nor vaccine belief is a pollical position. Pointing to one political side aligning with a certain view more does not make right nor left as a topic.

For someone who isn’t a rightwing dickhead, Rogan sure does enjoy dropping N bombs.

Well that is the Brand.

These new and growing online media news platforms have focused on what is now a basic truism.

That truism is that the big MSM outlets are largely coopted Corporate and Special interest propaganda arms that choose generally which part of the political spectrum they want to support based on how much Corporate and Special interest money they will pull in. It is very much aligned with how the same money coopted Politics and Politicians.

What that does not mean is that they are locked down tight and only given talking points, but what it does mean is they will generally build a narrative their donors and Corporate partners want over the long term while trying to do so under the veneer of objectivity While trading on the past view of a more independent MSM while sullying it.

it is exactly why Trump's 'fake news' resonated so powerfully even though Trump coopted it disingenuously. People had been recognizing the Donor and Corporate interest 'spin' being delivered as news increasingly was dishonest spin. We saw the view and polling of the media trust falling as quickly as Politician Trust was and for good reason.

So these new media, online Media are trying to exploit that to gain Trust and gain those viewers.

However you can see that the pressures of building an audience and getting donor money is also a big factor on them. They recognize that there are viewers on both the left and right of centre that they can draw and thus try and tailor their messaging to grab both.

The biggest example with Breaking Points is how they aggressively treat any talk or suggestion that the Trump/RussiaGate investigation was needed or legit as if crazy talk. Zero merit in their view, and they will cite and replay any news that supports that and on the flip side you will never see anything reported (such as the Senate Report) showing it was absolutely meritorious and needed. While on the other side they call it shameful and say Dem's wrongly supressed any proper investigation into HunterBiden Gate. They use that to say the MSM on the left is horribly biased, and thus why you should tune in to them.

That exposed them massively as Huntergate is the nothing burger that was only trying to be crafted into a scandal as Joe won the nomination and otherwise would have never existed. RussiaGate would have been done with any POTUS at any time in history as it was needed and required.

But taking that position gets them all sorts of Right of center watchers who want to hear that message from anyone not named OAN.

What’s funny is you have this right, but probably in the exact opposite sense of what you meant. When media elites like Rogan or Dave Chappelle complain about modern cancel culture , what they’re really mad about is criticism from non elites. You no longer need a column in The NY Times or a senate seat like Joe McCarthy to have your voice heard. You can see the open contempt they show for “losers in their moms basement posting on twitter” etc. Powerful figures are just gonna have to deal with the fact that people well beneath them in status are now in the conversation. It’s an amazing triumph of free speech and platform expansion….unless you’re worth 8 figures and only think people in your class should have platforms.

^^^ this is almost comical levels of gaslighting.

The only one showing contempt for the little people (less educated) having a voice (ie Derp Right) are typically people like you.

it is far more a left leaning thing to complain about the less educated and far more a right thing to complain about the powerful (MSM, Gov't) trying to shut us down.


BTW I too am amongst the more left, who complains about the society being forced to now live to the levels the dumbest amongst us set (re covid measures) but I am just not gaslighting over it.

No he does not.

Watch CNN and listen to how many times they say 'Nword' as a substitute for the NBomb.

CNN - 'that person said the Nword. But by the Nword we mean the real word and not the one we edited to say NWord'

Rogan - 'that person said ni**er'


It is just silly that reporters feel they have to both first change the word but then explain to what you really mean so you replace the word in your head with the correct one but they know that in today's society the left is so ridiculous that they will say 'saying the former is fine' but 'saying the latter is not'.

It is not racist to use the word in 'reporting' what someone said or similar context. It is silly to feel a need to replace it.

The dictionary does not replace it for that reason as they too could say 'the Nword ... but the real word and not the way we have changed it here'. But it would be equally as foolish. And i have always felt that way when I hear white people jump hoops not to say the word in appropriate context.