Do these people need to post evidence that orange man rapes children?

How could there be more evidence of orange man raping children than clinton? 26 flights with epstein, a convicted child rapist, seems to be more evidence..... is he gaslighting? is he flat out lying? does he actually believe this?

@well named

The "far more evidence" was probably about how Trump has raped adult women. That's pretty open and shut.

Raped women? Who did he rape? Name names and post the evidence.

lol at "thats pretty open and shut" micro couldve elected to post evidence, with that sentence, but instead decides to put on a meaningless editorial sentence. clown type posting bro

I don't generally intend to police whether people have provided sufficient evidence for their claims (i.e. there is no "cite or ban" rule in this forum). I don't see a general strategy for that which isn't problematic, since obviously standards of evidence are also subject to debate, and those debates are also political. Plus, in my experience that rule has never actually worked. As long as posts don't run afoul of other rules about acceptable content I prefer to let people argue with each other about whether various claims are true or false. That's kind of the point.

I do sometimes police the use of sources used to try to substantiate claims (as you know), but that's a bit different in my view, and I also don't really plan on intervening in that way except for very problematic sources, and "problematic" usually involves a bit more than just being unreliable.

"Ye" "Ah", you will tell me my sources are bogus because it is based off an "anonymous source" from a right wing site, and you will police whether or not I am wealthy or not, but you won't ask that posters back up claims that someone is a child rapist. I get it.

There are 22 women who have come forward to accuse Trump of sexual assault or rape. Pick one of them to call a lying whore and get on with it.

First: Ivana Trump. Source? First person account.

To be fair, I dropped the bit about you being wealthy and apologized to you for my response to that. I was wrong, and I'm happy to say so again, if it helps. I jumped the gun and I feel badly about it.

In any case, I think further discussion about moderation should take place via PM, but if you're looking for me to tell them that they can't call Trump a rapist without posting citations I'm afraid I'm going to demure. You are, of course, welcome to contest the claim and point out that you don't believe it to be substantiated. I'd note I'm also not going to require that people substantiate similar claims about Clinton.

Jill Hearth, former business associate. First person account of attempted rape.

Well considering you said he is a child rapist, why dont you start with evidence of that?

Donald Trump's Ex-Wife Ivana Disavows Old 'Rape' Allegation

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dona...ry?id=32732204

"I have recently read some comments attributed to me from nearly 30 years ago at a time of very high tension during my divorce from Donald," she said in the statement today. "The story is totally without merit. Donald and I are the best of friends and together have raised 3 children that we love and are very proud of."

Ivana Trump had already walked back the rape allegation in 1993 as the book was about to be published.

“During a deposition given by me in connection with my matrimonial case, I stated that my husband had raped me,” Ivana Trump said in a statement at the time, as the Daily Beast reported. "[O]n one occasion during 1989, Mr. Trump and I had marital relations in which he behaved very differently toward me than he had during our marriage. As a woman, I felt violated, as the love and tenderness, which he normally exhibited towards me, was absent. I referred to this as a 'rape,' but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense."

Why don't you post the evidence, not just the name?

E. Jean Carroll - first person account of rape.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ions-full-list

A few of them might be lying. Very unlikely that they are all lying. This is what true allegations against the rich and powerful look like. The hoaxes are usually one off people, the people who do this do it a lot.

We've also got his own words from the grab them by the pussy tape. I don't see how anyone can claim that he's innocent in good faith. He's a sex offender. Either you think it matters or you don't. He can't even plead ignorance on Epstein because again... his own words exist.

Eyewitness testimony is evidence

There are first person accounts from the victims of his rapes. Why don't you stop playing games?

Okay, fair enough. Not sure that is a great rule, that they can call someone a child rapist with no evidence, but i guess however you guys like it..

With this new rule in place, i will say, ive heard rumblings that hillary clinton has also flown to epstein island and raped children, ive never had anything good enough to post that, but it is something people have been saying

Ya, she was raped in a department store that says they have 0 camera evidence of it happening? Correct, or am I off here?

Please explain to me why she's less credible than he is. Please remember this guy lies like a lot and is on tape talking about sexually assaulting women plural.

You are trying to talk about standards of evidence? You are posting something she later told the media. She said he raped her in a sworn deposition.

You should bear in mind that intentionally trolling is still frowned upon. You shouldn't infer from the fact that someone has an opinion which you think is unsubstantiated that this means you shouldn't make an effort to post productively. People disagree about things. The point of the forum is to have conversations about them. You'll almost certainly still disagree afterwards. Maybe someone will learn something new, or interesting.

This is just my opinion, but I think a lot of people dramatically overestimate how effective this style of rhetoric is, i.e. where you try to point out to someone that you think their claim is baseless by making another baseless claim back at them. They don't think the claim is baseless, so they are going to reject your analogy.

Well it was a CSI episode, a woman being raped at a bergdorf goodman store.. and she is a professional writer. I mean do any of these rape stories, have any proof other than the woman saying it happened?

Im not trolling, that is a rumor going around on twitter, that hillary and huma raped a little girl together and that epstein or weiner had that video as blackmail. its a rumor that has been going around for a long time now



Erik Dean Prince (born June 6, 1969) is an American businessman, former U.S. Navy SEAL officer and founder of the government services and security company Blackwater USA, now known as Academi. He served as its CEO until 2009 and later as chairman, until Blackwater Worldwide was sold in 2010 to a group of investors.

https://truepundit.com/breaking-bomb...-play-perjury/

"Meanwhile, FBI sources said Abedin and Weiner were cooperating with federal agents, who have taken over the non-sexting portions the case from NYPD. The husband-and-wife Clinton insiders are both shopping for separate immunity deals, sources said.

“If they don’t cooperate they are going to see long sentences,” a federal law enforcement source said.

NYPD sources said Weiner or Abedin stored all the emails in a massive Microsoft Outlook program on the laptop. The emails implicate other current and former members of Congress and one high-ranking Democratic Senator as having possibly engaged in criminal activity too, sources said.

Prosecutors in the office of US Attorney Preet Bharara have issued a subpoena for Weiner’s cell phones and travel records, law enforcement sources confirmed. NYPD said it planned to order the same phone and travel records on Clinton and Abedin, however, the FBI said it was in the process of requesting the identical records. Law enforcement sources are particularly interested in cell phone activity and travel to the Bahamas, U.S. Virgin Islands and other locations that sources would not divulge.

The new emails contain travel documents and itineraries indicating Hillary Clinton, President Bill Clinton, Weiner and multiple members of Congress and other government officials accompanied convicted pedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein on his Boeing 727 on multiple occasions to his private island in the U.S Virgin Islands, sources said. Epstein’s island has also been dubbed Orgy Island or Sex Slave Island where Epstein allegedly pimps out underage girls and boys to international dignitaries.

Both NYPD and FBI sources confirm based on the new emails they now believe Hillary Clinton traveled as Epstein’s guest on at least six occasions, probably more when all the evidence is combed, sources said. Bill Clinton, it has been confirmed in media reports spanning recent years, that he too traveled with Epstein over 20 times to the island."

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...-ed-pilkington

Jsmith refuses to believe dozens of women who have zero to gain and everything to lose (see link) but credulously accepts q-anon garbage without question.

One side is saying clinton and Trump are both rapists lock them both up. The other says clinton is a rapist but trump? Never. He literally admitted to sexual assault multiple times on camera.

Its just my belief that orange man isnt a rapist. I feel like these nypd and fbi sources saying they saw videos and pictures of rape more credible than these he said, she said accusations with nothing backing them up. Thats just my opinion bro, i guess we will see.