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There's far more evidence against trump than clinton. Don't get me wrong clinton is almost certainly a child rapist too but trump is for sure.

Yeah... I don't give a **** about the Clintons. There's still a nonzero chance that Trump getting elected was a good thing for both parties and the country. I say this as someone who thinks Trump is a favorite for 'worst president in American history'. Ultimately it's going to be about the results of his time in office... And HRC's incompetent Democratic party needs to die almost as badly as the GOP.

So yeah if Bill raped some kids I want to see him face the full force of justice. Right alongside every other person who got caught up in this. It was raping kids. I'm not in favor of pedophilia.

That being said Trump is massively massively guilty lol. There's a mountain of evidence against him on this and quite a few other sex offenses. Which is a good thing, because watching Republicans defend rape and pedophilia will be a tremendous educational moment for the American people.

You have more faith in the American people than me but I hope you're right.

This is some qanon stuff here and I agree that there is more going on here than meets the eye. But there are lots of problems with the qanon narrative that Trump is "good" and fighting to expose these people. Trump is a part of them and has been a media creation his entire life. How many others famous developers are there who have been media fixtures since the 1980s?
The q narrative is that the NSA has basically been engaged in a covert war against the deep state and helped to install Trump, but there is a lot of wishful thinking that is required there.
I think what you're seeing is something like the system using Trump to clean itself up and change its image and that we're witnessing something like the controlled destruction of the old order/MSM. So I think that you'll see more crimes exposed and I would bet on Trump to win. The idea is basically that if we are going to see large scale political change of the 'new world order' sort, then that has to been seen as coming from the people and therefote Trump represents basically a psy-op in order to bring this about.

What..? This isn't qanon stuff. It is common sense that the media knew about Bill Clintons trips to epstein island for YEARS and never reported on it.

What you are saying though is some wild conspiracy, that doesn't make any sense. I am "sure" the deep state is in on a plan to expose themselves as rapist pedophiles in some sort of long plan. That makes a lot of sense.

Soros and his minions were like okay, time to expose all the people who has been working for us as pedophile rapists, time to bring on the new world order. Kind of a brainless idea bro, no offense, but it was a very close race for orange man to win. This "plan" you speak of involves getting pretty lucky on relying on voters...

You don't seem to have a problem with wild conspiracy theories. Pedophile elite no problem but don't try to suggest there might be something even more rotten! I admit that it seems crazy so use it as food for thought if things continue to unfold and more arrests are made.
As far as votes go--I naturally am a little less faithful in the sanctity of democracy and our voting process than you are.

Yeah, because there is actually evidence, like Epstein being arrested for sex trafficking and many famous people including Bill Clinton visiting his island 26 times on flight records, that we have.

So a lot of what I rely on myself is actual evidence. Some is conjecture and some is dot-connecting. There isn't really a whole lot of point in trying to lay any of it out since we're in wait-and-see mode as far as where this is going. But there isn't really a point in having theories unless they are capable of making predictions so you have mine now. But given that you're sort of along the right track in your thinking, I'd say don't be so quick to dismiss ideas that go beyond what you currently think.

Tarmac meeting was just another Clinton coinkydink. Not like they would ever pull strings of their leveled up political network to escape justice. Why would they need to escape justice when justice literally worked for them?

I'm not saying anything new in this thread now that I haven't said on 2p2 before. Lots of times people want to know what I actually think and this is basically as far as I've gone here. I do think it goes beyond this, but yes--part of the conspiracy is exposing the conspiracy.
I've thought this for a couple of years now since Trump took office and since this qanon stuff became a thing. There isn't really any other way to square it with the things that I understand regarding the degree of manipulation that exists in this world.
Your post about trying to imagine if this recent Epstein arrest could ever have happened if HRC was elected is worth pondering for the naysayers and "reality-normalizers" here.
When I brought up the strangeness of hiring Acosta and Trump "knowing" that all this could go down, I was told that it doesn't work that way and that federal prosecutors don't share what they are doing with the white house or higher ups and I let it go because I don't really have a response there. But your question there is still really good.
I also admit that this Epstein stuff is "challenging" for me--even though I've seen it coming. Ultimately it is hard to conclude that it too hasn't been baked into the plot. Although how much is scripted, how much is improvised, how much is real, and how much is fake is really difficult for me to say and that is what makes this difficult.

Flight manifests show Clinton flew 26 segments on Epstein's plane, not that he visited Epstein's island 26 times.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...-manifests.pdf

https://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-c...lio-1681039971

Trump is one of those people.

Prosecutors absolutely share what they did with the White House. At least they should and others have. It's called political vetting. The Trump White House just is either not very good at it or doesn't really care too much about it. From what I read they did ask Acosta about things in his past and he did mention the Epstein thing and the Trump White House hired him anyways for whatever reasons they had.

There seems to be like three different threads happening in this one but I'm scratching my head about what to do about it, or if I could move some of them to their own threads without making this one unreadable

I moved the police shootings/media bias bits here: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...-bias-1747669/

This is pretty damning against Clinton. There's no good reason for him being on those flights.

I read somewhere Epstein flew him to Africa to do charity stuff. Not to say Clinton was innocent of all wrong doing. Maybe he will admit to massages with underwear on too? But maybe in our partisan zealousness we are not being completely objective about things?

Of course there are plausible good reasons why he was on the plane. There are also plausible bad reasons. Without actual further evidence, it’s impossible to tell which is reality.

Can someone post a link that identifies Epstein's current legal defense team?

I was looking for this info this AM, and cannot seem to find it.

That he's never proposed any plausible good reasons should give you pause. Also it shoyld be obvious that what epstein is was surely known to Clinton then. We criticize Trump, rightfully, for less clearcut stuff.

Those possible but unknown inferences are no substitute for actual evidence.

Everyone, everyone, everyone, and everyone acknowledges that Bill Clinton is a scumbag.

Clinton has proposed plausible good reasons for the international flights but has only copped to 4 of the flights. According to Epstein's brother, Trump took at least one flight on the "Lolita Express". I hope both Clinton and Trump go down, if guilty.