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07-12-2019 , 08:19 PM


Is that an authentic picture or some trolling bs?
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07-12-2019 , 08:27 PM
My understanding is that the picture is authentic but not taken at Epstein island but Punta Cana in the Dominican Republic. I could be wrong about both of those though.

This video shows the island and there is no expanse of palms like you see in that pictute

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07-12-2019 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
True libertarians (to the tiny extent that they exist) are allies of the left imo. The astroturfed, Koch bros, reason magazine, youtube "libertarians" are tools of the right. Legal weed and low taxes don't make you libertarian. A real libertarian should support high taxes on the rich in order to provide restitution for millennia of theft.
Don't think you understand what the word liberterian means.
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07-12-2019 , 08:41 PM
The thread in that cbs post is wild. Thanks for the clarification
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07-12-2019 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Jsmith27
Don't think you understand what the word liberterian means.
A libertarian believes in forceful restitution for property theft. The rich have used the illegitimate power of the state for centuries to steal property. A true libertarian would want to see that property returned. By the force of the state if necessary. The rich broke the NAP so the poor are totally within their rights to farm out their legitimate claim on their property to a 3rd party.
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07-12-2019 , 11:38 PM
If Trump and Epstein had a falling out, it was probably more likely it was because Epstein thought having a relationship with Trump would be a liability for himself.
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07-13-2019 , 08:09 AM
dershowitz kept his underwear on during the massage
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07-13-2019 , 09:31 AM
Just listened to Mark Geragos give his take on Acosta on his Reasonable Doubt podcast. Geragos says assuming Acosta is telling the truth about what happened from his perspective, he did nothing unusual or untoward for that time, and the jihad against him is a straight political witch-hunt (I am paraphrasing).

He said the peculiarity came from the state side not following their end of the agreement once the feds has handed it back to them. At that time, just the fact Acosta was able force Epstein to agree to being a sex offender and serve real jail time was considered an accomplishment, given how competent Epstein’s legal team was. And the local authorities letting Epstein off both of these wasn’t Acosta’s responsibility.

FWIW Geragos is a very high powered defense lawyer who has built his career fighting what he views as a highly corrupt government railroading defendants, so him coming down on the side of an attorney general should probably mean a lot more than Vox or CNN going after a member of the Trump administration.
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07-13-2019 , 09:40 AM
there is no reason why the feds would hand the case back to the state. i've had cases taken over by the feds, and not once have they been concerned one iota what my deal was or have they decided to give the case back when they were done.

that is the part that is highly unusual. at best it was because accosta thought he could make a name off the case, and then realized he couldn't and dropped it which is incompetence.

much more likely he secured future campaign donations just like Pam Bondi did from trump..
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07-13-2019 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
there is no reason why the feds would hand the case back to the state. i've had cases taken over by the feds, and not once have they been concerned one iota what my deal was or have they decided to give the case back when they were done.
Well, I wish you were there to make that comment so I could hear Geragos’s take. Adam Carola is a stand up comedian, so obviously he doesn’t have the capacity to understand the case at that level and ask that kind of question.
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07-13-2019 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
there is no reason why the feds would hand the case back to the state. i've had cases taken over by the feds, and not once have they been concerned one iota what my deal was or have they decided to give the case back when they were done.

that is the part that is highly unusual. at best it was because accosta thought he could make a name off the case, and then realized he couldn't and dropped it which is incompetence.

much more likely he secured future campaign donations just like Pam Bondi did from trump..
IIRC, Acosta said since the case was handled in State court, he could also face charges in other jurisdictions, and/or at the Federal level later, so perhaps he gambled that he could get a plea deal now and also have the opportunity to further prosecute later.
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07-13-2019 , 10:46 AM
I think it's important to remember that members of Epstein's legal team got OJ off, and successfully defended William Kennedy Smith.

I think considering the defense formidable is reasonable.

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07-13-2019 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
I agree with this to a point.
Some of the things he did should have been disqualifying.
He was accused by over twenty woman of sexual harassment.
He was accused of barging into a miss Teen beauty pageant locker room. Creepy.
But, to be fair, he was never accused of anything egregious with minors.


Who knows maybe this Epstein thing will be turning point for both sides. You'd at least hope.
Trump was accused of raping a 13 year old. That suit was voluntarily dismissed.

"Jane Doe” aka “Katie Johnson” – 1994. Lawsuit filed June 2016, refiled October 2016 as reported by Buzzfeed and others, then dropped in November 2016.
Jane Doe is an unnamed plaintiff, who has also gone by “Katie Johnson” in legal papers. She claims she was repeatedly raped by Trump and Jeffery Epstein at Epstein’s New York City apartment in 1994, when she was 13 years old. A witness, also given a pseudonym — “Tiffany Doe” — said she recruited “Jane Doe” and others. Doe, using the name “Johnson,” gave an interview to the Daily Mail in which she said she did not know who Trump was at the time of the alleged attack but identified him later when she saw him on television. It is not known why she withdrew the lawsuit. She has not spoken publicly or withdrawn her rape allegation since then."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...trump-recapped
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07-14-2019 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus999
Ok. Without getting personal at all, I will say it is interesting how partisan issues where moral transgressions are clearly smaller by any objectives measure, seem to generate stronger condemnations and demonization Than huge moral transgressions with no partisan issues at stake, and I am sure I am guilty of this also.
You dudes start crying when we say we want to take all their money so they can't get away with this **** so I'm not sure of what else there's to say.
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07-14-2019 , 02:15 AM
hol up i scored a twofer

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It's clear that Epstein's lawyers litigated his case very aggressively. That's not a surprise. It raises interesting ethical questions about the extent to which criminal defendants deserve representation, and whether or not counsel should suffer criticism, outrage, or ostracism for representing a scumbag.

There isn't any question that a deep-pocketed criminal defendant with aggressive, politically-connected counsel and functionally limitless resources is going to get better results than the local public defender. I don't much like that fact, but I don't know what's to be done about it.
You dudes start crying when we say we want to take all their money so they can't get away with this **** so I'm not sure of what else there's to say.
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07-14-2019 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Also burn epstien and anyone that knew him to the ground imo. Haven't check vox yet so I could change my mind.







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07-14-2019 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
It's clear that Epstein's lawyers litigated his case very aggressively. That's not a surprise. It raises interesting ethical questions about the extent to which criminal defendants deserve representation, and whether or not counsel should suffer criticism, outrage, or ostracism for representing a scumbag.

There isn't any question that a deep-pocketed criminal defendant with aggressive, politically-connected counsel and functionally limitless resources is going to get better results than the local public defender. I don't much like that fact, but I don't know what's to be done about it.
Not for anything but iv never heard a prosecutor talk about how great the defense was when the prosecutor scores a huge win.
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07-14-2019 , 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
Okay, here's my view. Epstein seems like an evil man who committed horrible crimes, but the stakes here are objectively low and your strong reaction to Epstein has more to do with the salacious details of the crimes and the celebrity of the people associated with Epstein than the importance of his crimes. Horrible crimes are committed every day in the US that you and nearly everyone else completely ignore.
His address book contained the names of the following people (or their personal assistants): Clinton, Blair, Prince Andrew, Bloomberg, Alejandro Agag (Aznar's son-in-law), etc. Many of them appear on the logs of flights to his island.

The stakes here are very high because former heads of state of powerful countries are involved, so much so that more than one prosecutor took unusual steps to make the case disappear.

Another aspect is that us ordinary people get a view of the depravity of the elites who run the plutocracy. If they can rape 14 year olds, or ignore it happening, it can't matter much to them to **** over the entire population on other matters. Many people don't really appreciate how unethical, lying, cheating, and abusive are many of these super rich, and how impossible it is to become one of them without being that way.
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07-14-2019 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
We have to get back on track harping about Bill Clinton.
Defending Bill Clinton is not a good look. At the very least he abused authority to have sex with an intern, something most of us regard as unacceptable behavior in any workplace. Unlike Trump he got caught with his dick out (that's not defending Trump - it's just saying that so far Trump has bought his way out of problems where Clinton couldn't).
The defense of Clinton is sometimes quite blind - he's ours, we like his politics, so we defend him blindly even while we retweet #metoo (for the record, I voted for Clinton twice, and regret to this day having voted for that rightwing sellout).

In this case, he's on the logs of flights to Epstein's island, and given what Epstein is convicted of doing and accused of doing, in particular on that island, that's something that merits serious questions.

That Trump is a miscreant does not mean that Bill Clinton is not also a miscreant. It might be that the entire political class in this plutocratic state is rotten.
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07-14-2019 , 07:04 AM
Doubt these arrests happen if Hillary Clinton wins the presidency it is VERY IMPORTANT to note. Who thinks she would let her husband get outed as a pedophile rapist? This case would stay buried.

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07-14-2019 , 07:14 AM
Why is that very important to note?
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07-14-2019 , 07:27 AM
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Why is that very important to note?
Because there were MANY orange man supporters who knew Clintons connections to Epstein and Rape island and they cast their vote against clinton and for orange man for this reason. A lot of the people on this forum spent time insulting people who voted trump, intelligence, morals, but yet maybe they knew kids were being raped on epstein island by bill clinton, kevin spacey, princes and they knew trump was against these people. Maybe the media knows too and helped stop this from happening? The weinstein story was buried until trump got elected too.
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07-14-2019 , 07:33 AM
You guys might want to investigate Haiti, Laura Silsby, the Clinton foundation and what happened in Haiti when the clinton foundation went there to "help".

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...phans_wou.html



I tried to find an article on this from a friendly site like CNN, but the link they have there on google, dont work... thats odd, seems like they took the articles down..
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07-14-2019 , 07:35 AM
Once more people start getting arrested, you will realize how far this cover up must have went. Why does the media have such animosity for orange man? Could it be because they have been covering up stuff like epstein island? Was cnn not smart enough to make the clinton connections to epstein island and report on it? or did they chose NOT to report it...
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07-14-2019 , 07:36 AM
Jsmith,

TRUMP IS A CHILD RAPIST.
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