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He supposedly hung himself from a bunkbed. So he supposedly hung himself from a height that he could easily just stand/sit up from at any point if his survival instinct kicked in during the process. I guess it is possible, but just one more very questionable detail among many.

That's the amazing part, right? When people come up with these intricate plans, they never do it right. They **** up the fake photos. And they can't even come up with a death scenario that is even halfway plausible.

Amirite?

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08-12-2019 , 09:33 PM

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Let's not forget that the practical application of these insane conspiracy theories has been shooting up a pizza joint full of children and torturing homeless people. If you want Congress to hold hearings about how the president could allow the highest profile federal prisoner to kill himself well then you're just a mark, a ****ing rube. It was definitely the lizard people working with the Rothschilds.

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08-12-2019 , 09:36 PM

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It would be helpful you could get your ducks in a row with your energetic imagination.

If you think that he was murdered, I'm with ya, no surprise. If you're going with the idea that he never stepped foot in the slammer or that he doesn't exist then great!

Its the combining of both ideas that makes it tough to take this seriously.

Sorry. I'm not saying I believe the NY Post article. I didn't mean to give that impression. Calling that a revelation doesn't mean I think it is a true fact, but a furtherance of the suicide narrative.

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08-12-2019 , 09:40 PM

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Right, so when will the hospital correct the record? Or is the hospital most likely in on the plan as well?

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08-12-2019 , 09:41 PM

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I listened to Reasonable Doubt with Mark Geragos. He said he once was representing a client who supposedly hung himself from a bunk bed. He said in that case the autopsy showed a lot of bruising consistent with a struggle, but he was told by authorities all the bruising occurred when the EMTs tried to revive his client. So let's store away that one away and see how this all plays out.

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08-12-2019 , 09:45 PM

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Right, so when will the hospital correct the record? Or is the hospital most likely in on the plan as well?

Clearly you're going to believe what you think. I consider those pictures relevant and you don't. One of us is wrong and one of us isn't and I'm happy you think you've got it. Probably it is best we don't talk about it anymore since I'll just keep pointing to the ear and you'll say it's lighting or magic and we won't get anywhere.

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08-12-2019 , 09:51 PM

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Is the hospital in on the conspiracy?

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08-12-2019 , 09:58 PM

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Is the hospital in on the conspiracy?

It wouldn't be the first time.
But fwiw I have no idea what transpired or if they rolled up to the hospital or when that picture was taken even. But if that picture is Epstein I'd be pretty surprised because again, I don't believe that features would change like that.

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08-12-2019 , 10:28 PM

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So new plot twist is the sheets in the prison are made of weak paper and a single sheet isn’t strong enough to hang a grown sized man.

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08-12-2019 , 10:31 PM

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Again, disclaimer, not an endorsement.

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08-12-2019 , 10:33 PM

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I guess some of you don't know who you're debating with ITT.

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08-12-2019 , 10:47 PM

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I guess some of you don't know who you're debating with ITT.

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We know. He's a hopeless case. I really can't believe we are going back down the road of allowing idiotic conspiracy theories.

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08-12-2019 , 10:49 PM

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We know. He's a hopeless case. I really can't believe we are going back down the road of allowing idiotic conspiracy theories.

Just double checking but you are at 99% suicide for Epstein?

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08-12-2019 , 10:50 PM

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Again, disclaimer, not an endorsement.

Could this tweet be more misleading? Here is the actual quote from the article:

"A second person familiar with operations at the jail said one of the two people guarding Epstein in the hours before he was found with a bedsheet around his neck wasn't a correctional officer, but a fill-in who had been pressed into service because of staffing shortfalls.

It wasn't clear what the substitute's regular job was, but federal prisons facing shortages of fully trained guards have resorted to having other types of support staff fill in for correctional officers, including clerical workers and teachers."

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08-12-2019 , 10:52 PM

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Just double checking but you are at 99% suicide for Epstein?

After the medical examiner confirms that his injuries are consistent with suicide, I'll be at 100%.

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08-12-2019 , 10:54 PM

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Just double checking but you are at 99% suicide for Epstein?

Just double checking, you still believe that it is more likely than not that Epstein:

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3) he is still alive 3a) he was never in jail and 4) unknown unknowns/Jeffrey Epstein is a pseudonym/some guy with prosthetics.

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08-12-2019 , 10:55 PM

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Just double checking, you still believe that it is more likely than not that Epstein:

I'm still going with the only evidence we've seen.

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08-12-2019 , 10:56 PM

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I'm still going with the only evidence we've seen.

Is that a yes?

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08-12-2019 , 11:11 PM

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Is that a yes?

It's what the only evidence we've seen points to.

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08-12-2019 , 11:24 PM

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Here's my rough view on Epstein conspiracy theories:

My initial reaction to the news was "lol of course". I feel like some suspicion is probably justified? It definitely seems reasonable enough to entertain in this thread, so I don't think it's necessary to squash any and all speculation of a conspiratorial bent about this event.

There's still probably some line beyond which I'm going to be like "nah, that's a bit much." I'm not sure what it is yet, exactly, but I don't want to go like way down some dumb rabbit hole. I'm sure luckbox will help me find the line :P Not all skepticism nor all theories of what happened are equally reasonable, I'm sure.

The idea that Epstein isn’t actually dead is deep, deep into that rabbit hole.

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08-12-2019 , 11:26 PM

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The idea that Epstein isn’t actually dead is deep, deep into that rabbit hole.

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Epstein stuff is really interesting. Particularly the reports that Epstein's wealth is basically unaccounted for. Lots of theories floating around that Epstein was running a blackmailing operation and that that was his true business.
I'm not sure what to think myself but the fact that it has tie-ins with Qanon related stuff means that we should be extremely skeptical of both official and unofficial narratives--given that qanon is more or less a propaganda/disinformation campaign.

My first post in this thread. If the official narrative is that he killed himself and the unofficial narrative is that he was murdered, where does that leave us?
So (ironically perhaps) I would be inclined to think what I think even without that ridiculous picture. But the picture certainly helps, along with the other stuff like the timeline change, and lack of video.

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08-13-2019 , 04:48 AM

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Epstein was not on suicide watch. (Which, in that facility, means being placed in the 'suicide prevention room', supposedly under the supervision of trusted inmates who are paid for their duties, and being subjected to a daily interview with a psychologist.) You can't keep that up for long, and he'd been returned to the Special Housing Unit for inmates who are potentially in danger from other inmates, such as, notably, paedophiles and other sex offenders. (In Britain such offenders are segregated under Rule 40.)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/after-...-after-himself

Suicide in prison is commonplace, particularly among those accused of sexual offences, which destroy social caste even more thoroughly than other offences do. Epstein was a rich and influential man who had lost everything and become a common convict, unlikely to see the light of day again, and was despised even by other convicts because of the nature of his offences. He had nothing left, nothing to look forward to and nowhere to go.

I'd tend to agree actually & think he probably did commit suicide once reality came crashing in. That said this still made me lol

https://twitter.com/deYook/status/1160184031780179968

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08-13-2019 , 06:22 AM

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Meant to embed it sorry

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08-13-2019 , 07:10 AM

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Plenty of people probably wanted him dead, but there also many reasons why he'd might want to commit suicide. Prison routines seem questionable or broken, but we also know this is unfortunately not uncommon.

Put me in the camp off "I think it is suicide, but a thorough investigation that also accounts for potential foul play is warranted".

Of course, trust in US institutions is low, partisanship is high and the willingness for even high-profile people to engage in conspiracy babble is off the charts, so I don't expect the conspiracy theories to stop.

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08-13-2019 , 07:30 AM

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My first post in this thread. If the official narrative is that he killed himself and the unofficial narrative is that he was murdered, where does that leave us?

Lizard Person replicant? No doubt someone tweeted something like this, so find that important tweet and use it as further evidence for your beliefs.

All the best.

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