I think you may have missed my point.

In related news, found 6ix on Twitter:

I assume you mean something like Frank Pentangeli

I got you a new suit, and I’m gonna shave you myself.

Question For Howard Treesong ...

... and any lawyers in this thread.

How does the death of Epstein affect the current investigation? Obviously Epstein himself will not be prosecuted, but what about others such as Ghislaine Maxwell, Dershowitz, and anyone else who may be swept up in Epstein's web? With Epstein out of the picture, does that make a case against all the other [potential] defendants nearly impossible to prosecute?

I predicted early on, (see final paragraph of reply # 244 in this thread), that I didn't think Epstein would live to stand trial. Here's the final sentence of that paragraph:

Of course, there's always the possibility that Mr. Epstein suddenly [mysteriously?] assumes room temperature prior to his trial.

I find it hard to believe that a defendant who was (supposedly) on "suicide watch" conveniently commits suicide. (Aren't prisoners on suicide watch under 24 hour video surveillance - to say nothing of a high priority prisoner like Epstein?)

This sounds "conspiratorial" I admit, but too many of the rich and powerful who probably thought they would never be exposed, much less indicted and prosecuted, never wanted Epstein standing trial. It's not out of the realm of possibility that somebody, (or somebodies), arranged for Epstein to hang himself.

Epstein doesn't strike me as the kind of guy disposed to committing suicide. He strikes me more as the kind of guy who gets even - the kind of guy who says: "Hell if I'm taking this rap sitting down! If I'm headed off to prison, all the others who are in this up to their eyeballs will go with me!"

Think about it ... Why would Epstein have [allegedly] tape recorded all the other participants "in the act" so to speak if he didn't consider such evidence an insurance policy designed to make sure he would never have to walk the plank? (If anything, what happened to him down in Florida in the 2006-2007 timeframe probably further emboldened him to think he was untouchable.)

Call me a cynical nut if you like, but I believe there's at least an even money chance that Epstein was murdered.

he's probably in tel aviv right now after a quick trip to the plastic surgeon

I didn't know doctors do plastic surgery on dead people.

I don't think it's overly conspiratorial to think Epstein was murdered. He potentially had underage sex ring dirt on exceedingly rich and powerful people. Him dying in jail before trial would be very convenient for those people.

Also, I mean... early Sat morning? When all the news dumps traditionally happen because people are paying less attention to the news? Coincidence?

Regarding suicide watch he was taken off it a few days after his first attempt I believe. And even that attempt was sketchy, was originally reported that he may have been attacked by another inmate. But either way he was not on suicide watch when he died. Which is also convenient.

To me another red flag is that uber-wealthy narcissist criminals are not the type to kill themselves in a fit of guilt. They know that they have a solid chance of buying their way out of the harshest punishment or maybe even purchasing an acquittal altogether.

Russia needs to keep the Clintons out of prison so Hillary can depose Trump with #herturn4realthistime in 2020.

This guy seems like Aaron Hernandez. On top of the world, but engages in criminality for what ever reason, then when confronted with the reality and consequences of the behavior, can't deal with it, so escapes.

First off, how do you think it goes down when they decide to murder him?

Secondly, very good chance that other people would have been indicted by now if his sex ring showed proof that other prominent figures were involved.

There are like 4 options: 1) he killed himself just like they've said 2) he was murdered 3) he is still alive 3a) he was never in jail and 4) unknown unknowns/Jeffrey Epstein is a pseudonym/some guy with prosthetics.
I'm going with 3 and 4. The idea that he was murdered doesn't jive too well with my ideas that a lot of theater exists (and that Epstein specifically is a part of that). The idea that he killed himself also seems pretty unlikely and the photographic evidence that we've seen is weak.
*And taking a greater look at the photographic evidence, I'd say it's beyond weak and closer to salient evidence that some version of 3 & 4 is true.

Epstein was not on suicide watch. (Which, in that facility, means being placed in the 'suicide prevention room', supposedly under the supervision of trusted inmates who are paid for their duties, and being subjected to a daily interview with a psychologist.) You can't keep that up for long, and he'd been returned to the Special Housing Unit for inmates who are potentially in danger from other inmates, such as, notably, paedophiles and other sex offenders. (In Britain such offenders are segregated under Rule 40.)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/after-...-after-himself

Suicide in prison is commonplace, particularly among those accused of sexual offences, which destroy social caste even more thoroughly than other offences do. Epstein was a rich and influential man who had lost everything and become a common convict, unlikely to see the light of day again, and was despised even by other convicts because of the nature of his offences. He had nothing left, nothing to look forward to and nowhere to go.

1) He doesn't need to be fake indicted if he was never in jail. Your conspiracy theories include those who indicted him.

2) Your theory that Jeffrey Epstein is a pseudonym tells me that you don't grasp the abilities that those in power have. Not only would they be some of the stupidest amongst us taking unprecedented risks with no reward, but would also be doing this conspiratarding **** simply for the fun of it.

3) If you want to go the CT route, Epstein being murdered is far more plausible.

4) Those pics don't show anything of interest.

Luckbox,

You're not even giving lip service to the most obvious and easiest to execute conspiracy: that Epstein was deliberately removed from suicide watch and left under-supervised thanks to the orders of a powerful, interested party?

We have different sets of priors going into this, but part of what we're seeing (imo) is the elites themselves exposing certain conspiracy ideas. I don't believe they're doing it for no reason but to push their agenda forward--something like tearing down the old system before they can create a new one and that Trump is a part of that. This Epstein stuff plays into that idea very well and I think it'll continue to produce news going forward.
Nose is shaped differently. The structure of the inner ear and the shape of the ear is different

The whole prior suicide attempt is worth thinking about. I don't think many people at the time believed that actually he attempted suicide before. But now that he's supposedly succeeded, that prior attempt plays into the story nicely.
It's not direct evidence of anything, but if the story I was trying to sell was that some guy killed himself, having him try once and fail seems like a good way to shore that up.

JFK, tho.

It's certainly seemed believable that he attempted suicide before while not on watch. Had he been successful the first time, there wouldn't have been as much outrage as to why he wasn't put on suicide watch as there is now wondering why he was taken off suicide watch after he attempted to kill himself.

Again, it's just another dumb and unnecessary play by the folks in charge of covering everything up.

You still need to ground yourself in some particulars as to why the indictment, real or staged is the conspiracy here. Gotta make a move and stick with it.

Are we really allowing stuff like this now?

Like comparing photos? Or what part exactly?

Honestly I think the outrage is around how one of the highest-profile prisoners in the world was able to kill himself while in federal custody. It seems like negligence on the part of the prison guards/officials at the very least.

Regarding the earlier attempt, it was very hazy on what went down and it was never reported on very clearly. At first they said another inmate may have attacked him. Then they said he had marks on his neck, self inflicted. I am not sure if they ever definitively said exactly what happened. But given that he was placed on suicide watch for only 6 days and then taken off, it doesn't sound like prison officials thought he made a serious attempt to kill himself. (The decision to place a genuinely suicidal high-profile prisoner on suicide watch for only 6 days would be completely indefensible.)

I think people are rightly tired of moronic conspiracy theories and of course the lunatic right-wing Clinton stuff only makes it worse. However that does not mean there is not a LOT to be suspicious about here. It could be simple negligence/incompetence by the prison of course. But it's naive to think something more nefarious could not have happened.

Why should we not allow it?

Yeah, my money is on the Hermann Göring option.

~given the means to save his friends a job~

Op-Ed: Forget the conspiracy theories. Here’s why it’s likely Jeffrey Epstein killed himself