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07-17-2019 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus999
He posted a text wall of copy-pasted information. It is bizarre not to cite what he is copy-pasting IMO.

But you do you.

Edit: I still contend it is bizarre, and probably not accidental, you have to make it down to cite 129 of his Wikipedia article to see what Tommy Robinson is actually in jail for.
Uhh, this is in the opening stuff before the contents on the Wikipedia article:

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On 5 July 2019, Robinson was again found guilty of contempt of court at the retrial and was sentenced at the Old Bailey to nine months in prison on 11 July․[29][30] Before his sentencing, Robinson appeared on InfoWars and appealed for political asylum in the United States.
Those citations will tell you exactly what he is in jail for and I checked the history to be sure and that has been there since at least 11 July, when he was sentenced...

For the record, Robinson is a racist pos whose only agenda is pushing hatred of Islam. Fortunately outside of the far right most people in the UK realise he's a huge bigot and when he ran for the European parliament he got a humiliating 2.2% of the vote, to the cheers of the entire room when the vote counts were announced.
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07-17-2019 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus999
He posted a text wall of copy-pasted information. It is bizarre not to cite what he is copy-pasting IMO.

But you do you.

Edit: I still contend it is bizarre, and probably not accidental, you have to make it down to cite 129 of his Wikipedia article to see what Tommy Robinson is actually in jail for.
Why do you really care about the link. It was a stupid and pointless post. I mean who really care that over a 10 year period that 50 republicans have been convicted of sex crimes. Each year there are somewhere around 70,000 convicted sex offenders. So what does 50 of around 700,000 convicted sex offenders really establish?
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07-17-2019 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Former DJ
Former Supervisory IRS Agent Details How SDNY Prosecutors Likely To Go After Epstein



https://www.thedailybeast.com/former...teins-finances



So, it looks like if they don't get him on the sex trafficking charges, they'll sure as hell get him for tax evasion crimes. This is why I wonder if Epstein might still be able to bargain for reduced prison time after he's convicted? Let's assume he's convicted on multiple counts of tax evasion, money laundering, and various other financial crimes - in addition to sex trafficking offenses. Conviction on just one count of having "child porn" on your computer can get you a 20-year prison sentence. If he's convicted on that - plus an assortment of financial crimes - he's probably looking at a 50+ year prison sentence. At age 66, it would effectively be a life sentence for Mr. Epstein.



Since Mr. Epstein, according to the article, was offering "tax shelter advice" to his wealthy clients, it's very possible that some of those clients might be involved in the same kind of financial crimes for which Epstein may wind up being convicted. Staring at an effective life sentence, Mr. Epstein might be very willing to rat out his former clients in exchange for a reduction in his sentence - say to something like 10 years in exchange for giving up all his clients? (Just speculating, but this is why I think [at least one] of Mr. Epstein's former clients may be thinking this is a good time for Epstein to develop a sudden [fatal] illness ...)


That Daily Beast piece is poor. It asks a bunch of rhetorical questions but has no real analysis or depth. The overall point that Epstein’s finances will now go under a microscope is correct, but the rest of it is shallow.
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07-17-2019 , 09:33 PM
07-18-2019 , 09:51 AM
Jeffrey Epstein Fallout Just Beginning

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019...ore-grotesque?

Question for Howard Treesong: I keep hearing commentators on various cable channels declaring that a near 2,000-page court filing document from a civil case filed against Epstein will be released to the public in the next few days - even [possibly] today. This alleged 2,000-page court filing supposedly lists as many as 50 prominent individuals by name who, by inference, may be involved in Epstein's alleged criminal activities.

Something doesn't sound right about this kind of rampant press speculation. I've always been under the impression that a judge will not allow such a document to be released - spelling out the names of unindicted individuals - unless those names have been redacted or blacked out. Am I wrong? (It would seem that citing people by name in a court filing against Epstein amounts to character assassination or guilt-by-association - at a minimum.)

Since most of these prominent individuals are so well known that they probably meet the [legal?] standard of being easily identified as "public figures," would normal protections not apply in this case? I've always thought [believed] that judges will not allow names of ancillary people involved in a case to be released publically unless such people have been indicted - especially in a case with this much public interest ...

Last edited by Former DJ; 07-18-2019 at 09:58 AM.
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07-18-2019 , 10:58 AM
Just ran down the issue. An Epstein victim named Virginia Giuffre sued Ghislaine Maxwell for defamation after Maxwell called Giuffre a liar in the press. A federal trial court denied Maxwell’s motion for summary judgment and the case settled. During those proceedings, Giuffre alleged that Dershowitz and others were involved with sex crimes. Dershowitz sought to unseal the record on summary judgment; he says that shows conclusive proof of the falsity of the allegations against him. The trial judge denied Dersh’s request and left the record sealed. Dershowitz appealed.

The court of appeals ruled on July 3 that the 76-page summary judgment opinion must be unsealed, along with its exhibits. The appellate court also told the trial court to look individually at other documents and determine whether or not each of those should be unsealed.

So the speculation looks largely right, although we won’t know for sure until the district court actually unseals — which should be soon given the appellate order.

Quick review on my part — on the road and short on time today.

The ruling and its exhibits should make interesting reading.

Last edited by Howard Treesong; 07-18-2019 at 11:22 AM.
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07-18-2019 , 11:35 AM
That's also the alleged victim that was pictured with the prince and Maxwell in the Times.
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07-18-2019 , 11:55 AM
Epstein already settled with her, so "alleged" is a bit silly.
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07-18-2019 , 12:47 PM
I didn't realize she was one of the original victims who got restitution. Gross stuff either way.
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07-19-2019 , 10:51 AM
Here is a fun Atlantic article: How the Epstein case gives rise to conspiracy theories
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The more we learn about the allegations against the reclusive billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, the more he seems like a figment of the online fever swamps
Step 1: These are only allegations against Epstein. It isn't like he hasn't already been through the legal system.
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It should not come as a surprise that some of America’s most outspoken conspiracists have spent the days since Epstein’s arrest taking victory laps.

“I definitely see it as a moment of vindication,” David Seaman, a chief proponent of the so-called Pizzagate conspiracy theory, told me. “I think this is a turning point.”
Step 2: link Epstein case with pizzagate.
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Of course, the notion that the Epstein case somehow validates every outlandish assertion uttered by the tinfoil-hat brigade is absurd. But squint at the recent headlines and you’ll see a story—about abuse of power, and elite impunity, and moral rot in the ruling class—that helps explain why a certain breed of conspiracy theorist has gained so much traction in this political moment.
Step 3: Normalize. Don't worry. Corruption at the top is normal.
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Fears of systematic, underground child abuse have run through popular conspiracy theories for centuries. One of the oldest anti-Semitic canards held that Jews were murdering Christian children and using their blood to bake matzo.
Step 4: link this stuff to anti-semitism.
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More recently, in the 1980s, America was gripped by the “Satanic panic,” as parents became convinced that their day-care centers were filled with Satanists ritualistically abusing their children.
The McMartin Preschool stuff is worth looking into imo. Naturally the Atlantic dismisses it without mentioning the actual name.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 07-19-2019 at 10:58 AM.
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07-19-2019 , 11:57 AM
Bail denied, Epstein will remain in jail until trial.
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07-19-2019 , 01:43 PM
If it's all conspiracy theories, why did Acosta resign?
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07-19-2019 , 04:00 PM
Why he was hired in the first place seems like a better question.
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07-20-2019 , 01:51 AM
I don't doubt that you adhere to conspiracy theories.
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07-20-2019 , 09:25 AM
Acosta is smart and accomplished, so there were legitimate reasons to hire him. Also good reasons to resign given the current Epstein firestorm. I don’t subscribe to any of the loopy conspiracy theories.
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07-20-2019 , 10:09 PM
Alan Dershowitz Explodes Over Pending New Yorker "Journalistic Hit Piece"

https://spectator.us/alan-dershowitz...-yorker-story/

Mr. Dershowitz proclaiming himself to be the totally innocent victim of totally false charges - which he claims to have "proven" to be totally untrue - has me looking forward to reading the New Yorker's journalistic "hit job" on poor Alan. When he starts his commentary off by insisting that all these false charges against him are motivated by "politics" and greedy lawyers looking for a quick financial gain, I'm reminded of a line from Shakespeare's Hamlet: "Me thinks the lady doth protest too much."

The "Editor's Note" at the end of Dershowitz's screed is interesting ...
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07-23-2019 , 09:05 AM
Jeffrey Epstein's Wall Street Ties

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/22/b...ll-street.html

Kate Kelly, one of the NYT reporters on this story, appeared this morning on CNBC discussing Epstein. It's interesting all these bankers and hedge fund managers who did business with Epstein now claiming that they didn't do business with Epstein and/or barely knew him.

Joe Kernan asked Ms. Kelly (paraphrasing slightly): "When are we going to know all this and what's true and not true?" Ms. Kelly responded with a shrug stating "this is not going away" and "... we'll have to wait and see what comes out in court." Kernan stated the obvious: "There are a lot of people that don't want any of this to come out."

Good old Wall Street ... a place where some never let ethics or morality get in the way of making money.

Last edited by Former DJ; 07-23-2019 at 09:14 AM.
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07-23-2019 , 11:49 AM
This is just... slimey

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07-23-2019 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by btc
This is just... slimey

Not sure about this, but I believe David Boies is representing clients who are suing Dershowitz. There's obviously no love lost between the two of them, but it's always entertaining when one lawyer accuses another lawyer of being sleazy.
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07-23-2019 , 12:15 PM
You nailed it. Boies is his opposition, and Dersh is Dershing.
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07-23-2019 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Former DJ
Not sure about this, but I believe David Boies is representing clients who are suing Dershowitz. There's obviously no love lost between the two of them, but it's always entertaining when one lawyer accuses another lawyer of being sleazy.

Correct.

I have been across the litigation table from Boies, and the positions he took then were highly aggressive and disingenuous.
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07-23-2019 , 02:15 PM
dershowitz went on tv multiple times pretending(maybe) to not understand what bail was with regards to paul manafort or how it functioned.

dude is at best a dishonest political hack and at worst a senile old man that shouldn't be listened to about anything to do with law.

Last edited by Slighted; 07-23-2019 at 02:42 PM.
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07-23-2019 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
Correct.

I have been across the litigation table from Boies, and the positions he took then were highly aggressive and disingenuous.
Does that give Dersh carte blanche to air these things? Isn't Dersh being accused of sex trafficking and pedo? So he exposes the other guys infidelities and philandering to deflect? And uses the victim pot smoking as a defense? Sick stuff man.
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07-23-2019 , 04:02 PM
It would not shock me if Boies was being disingenuous here; obviously I know nothing about the merits of the accusations against Dersh. I don’t generally agree with Dersh’s hyperaggression either, but if someone made up a child rape allegation against me, I might do the same thing.
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07-25-2019 , 02:08 AM
Suicide watch for Epstein, found injured in jail
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Accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein is on a suicide watch after the wealth financier was found mysteriously injured in his cell in a federal jail in New York City, WNBC-TV reported Wednesday night.
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