My take is definitely hot, but I imagine myself in the prosecutor’s shoes here going to someone at main Justice and saying “hey, how about a plea deal for this guy Epstein!”

Not unless it involves the rest of his life in jail. Which case it is doubtful that Epstein would consider such a deal.

these same people arguing that there isn't enough proof in rape allegations are the same people arguing we should absolutely believe andy Ngo had a brain hemorrhage based on only his word.

we get it, people hate women.


there are soo many crimes and instances in the criminal justice system where the only evidence is a victim and no one bats an eye, but if that victim is a victim of sexual assault/rape then all the skeptics come out..

I’m arguing that there isn’t enough evidence with respect to rape allegations against Clinton or others who rode on Epstein’s plane, and that observation is obviously correct. It seems to me that there is plenty of evidence to support allegations against Epstein.

Rape itself isn’t a federal offense. I’ll need to go back and read the indictment carefully, but I’m fairly sure the crimes it alleges involve transporting underage women across state lines for purposes of sex, i.e. human trafficking offenses.

Evidence developed in the federal case can of course subsequently used by various states to prosecute straight-up rape or other offenses.

Qualifier: I’m in no way expert at criminal law.

If you feel this way you should see if he'll take your wife 'furniture shopping'. I'm sure it will be fine.

He already got a plea deal and it cost Acosta his job. No pleas here for Epstein unless he gives up heads of state, but he'd probably not want to put his life in danger.

Assuming he sold the evidence back to those he blackmailed, how is Epstein's word good for anything other than the defense using it to protect their accused clients? The madam seems like the puzzle piece that will either put this picture together or prevent it from materializing.

In addition to Ghislaine Maxwell, there appear to have been two other women who recruited and organized underage “masseuses” for Epstein. One is now a commercial Gulfstream pilot. And there seems to be no news about the location of the other. You have to think there’s a prisoner’s dilemma going on among these three at the moment.

The madam is at the very least pictured with a prince and one of the alleged victims. She's also pictured at Chelsea Clinton's wedding, but that's only circumstantial and let's assume she wasn't the only invitee who knew Epstein and Clinton. She's still got the goods on someone, and if the events occurred here, that should be good enough to bring him in for questioning under oath unless royalty is immune to justice.

The blackmail-operation narrative is imo pretty problematic. How many people could he get away with doing that to until the word gets out internally amongst the elite that he should be avoided?

How do we assume that recruiting the next perverted sucker wasn't part of his blackmail scheme?

How many anti-Clinton websites and chain mails do you subscribe to?

None , and what would even lead you to that assumption? Because I'm well versed in historical events? Why would you try to invalidate facts by injecting that kind of biased rhetorical assertion? I don't ignore history or twist it to suit a narrative. And I saw that in Rolling Stone or the Times.

Howard:

I assume "prisoner's dilemma" in this context means SDNY prosecutors indict all three of these women simultaneously as accessories to Epstein's crimes. At some point, all three women become "Queen for a Day" being told "OK, the first one to talk gets the best deal."

This reminds me of a standard "Law & Order" episode.

Generally that's right, although remember that the federal crimes involve an underage woman moving across state lines for sexual purposes and do not involve rape itself. I can pull the statute and post the language if you like, but if Maxwell was herself involved in getting girls to cross state lines, she herself is just as liable as Epstein is. Additional hot take: she's probably out of the country; she's Robert Maxwell's daughter and was born in the U.K., so I am guessing she is still a U.K. citizen.

Chelsea Clinton's wedding counts as a historical event?

Man you are really something else. Have fun on the roof.

Blimey I didn't know that. I wonder if there was any connection between Epstein and the late Robert Maxwell - he was a piece of work and rumoured to be involved with intelligence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell

Former Supervisory IRS Agent Details How SDNY Prosecutors Likely To Go After Epstein

https://www.thedailybeast.com/former...teins-finances

So, it looks like if they don't get him on the sex trafficking charges, they'll sure as hell get him for tax evasion crimes. This is why I wonder if Epstein might still be able to bargain for reduced prison time after he's convicted? Let's assume he's convicted on multiple counts of tax evasion, money laundering, and various other financial crimes - in addition to sex trafficking offenses. Conviction on just one count of having "child porn" on your computer can get you a 20-year prison sentence. If he's convicted on that - plus an assortment of financial crimes - he's probably looking at a 50+ year prison sentence. At age 66, it would effectively be a life sentence for Mr. Epstein.

Since Mr. Epstein, according to the article, was offering "tax shelter advice" to his wealthy clients, it's very possible that some of those clients might be involved in the same kind of financial crimes for which Epstein may wind up being convicted. Staring at an effective life sentence, Mr. Epstein might be very willing to rat out his former clients in exchange for a reduction in his sentence - say to something like 10 years in exchange for giving up all his clients? (Just speculating, but this is why I think [at least one] of Mr. Epstein's former clients may be thinking this is a good time for Epstein to develop a sudden [fatal] illness ...)

Not that things like facts and evidence are likely to change your thinking obviously however (with thanks to kre8tive).

https://www.courthousenews.com/prose...d-under-trump/


Also,

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman* was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

Republican County Councilman Keola Childs* pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter* pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young.

Republican state senator Ralph Shortey from Oklahoma admitted to being involved in sodomy with a 17 year old male prostitute and transporting child pornography.

Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert in jail for the payments he made to cover up raping his wrestlers when he was a high school coach.

Republican Judge and campaign official for President Donald Trump, Tim Nolan, indicted for human trafficking and forcing a minor (9) to engage in sexual activity and giving alcohol to minors (results from the court pending).

You should probably cite all that information, since it seems probable you copy-pasted it. I checked your link and the link is not to that information.

It's certain that I copy pasted it. I ain't citing ****. No way I'm spending more than 60 seconds on a post that he (and others) will utterly ignore because it contradicts their worldview. You wanna debunk feel free to look up the cases.

What if I put up a youtube of myself reading that post, would you believe it then?

Kid was REAL confident that the pro-pedo elite had scrubbed Tommy Robinson's Wikipedia page but when told of a DIFFERENT group of sex criminals suddenly it's all "source for this claim"?

Is this one of those ATE anecdote ideological possession things you were talking about? LOL.

He posted a text wall of copy-pasted information. It is bizarre not to cite what he is copy-pasting IMO.

But you do you.

Edit: I still contend it is bizarre, and probably not accidental, you have to make it down to cite 129 of his Wikipedia article to see what Tommy Robinson is actually in jail for.

Tommy Robinson has been to jail several times, so some of those earlier cites are about his prior incarcerations. But if you recall, you didn't ever link to any of the **** you said about him and in fact you kept the podcast/Youtube you learned about it a secret.

But someone throws a wall of unlinked text about political connected elites doing sex crimes and suddenly you're real skeptical! You can just google their names if you think he's making it up, but the more interesting part of it is that your first reaction was that he might be.