we arent talking about that tho.

except all of the actual evidence that Epstein hung out with your boy Randy Andy, Slick Willy, Trump, Gates, and others I dont know or forgot.

oh but I guess since the Comet Pizza thing was crazy BS then its impossible for such a thing to ever exist.

Wait, is someone disputing that all of these people were probably hanging around Epstein to **** 15 year olds? Wasn't me.

you realize they had binders full of cds with girls and men names on them? (all redacted so we dont know yet)

and Acosta straight up said "he was intelligence".

Im saying our cliche friend Occam would def lean my way. and its a lean. hence why I said it kinda breaks my brain that we will never know.

its been established that FBI found a ton of cds with a womens name and a mans name them. also, they found a massive safe worth of cds of which they didnt have a warrant for. so they had to come back the next day to pick them up. umm...ya maybe a few got lost lol.

we also know that he had cameras all over his place from the victims and from his staff in testimony in this trial.

I dunno, maybe it was just a lone wolf.

Alright, fair enough. I think I said a while back ITT that as far as conspiracy theories go, the stuff around Epstein definitely seems a bit more plausible than most.

ya its ****ed up

and like I posted earlier, intelligence has certainly done this stuff before

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kincora_Boys'_Home

I am not a CT guy but put aside the coopting of this CT for political reasons the right has done to weaponize this against the left and can you not see how the CT you describe could have got its roots from the actual Epstein actions over the decades?

I mean, how many people would be aware at the airport and other places that Epstein had a parade of under age looking and often inebriated young girls hopping on his plane and being jetted off to his private island. Then seeing Clinton, Gates, Dershowitz and so many others hopping on that plane and jetting off to the island.


I see almost no instance where that does not start as a whisper amongst those in the know and grows ala the telephone game into a massive CT.

I actually cannot see how this would not foster a CT.

And that is how I feel.

I think there are so many CT's now, and absurd ones at that, that many have built up a reflexive dismissal that every such thing is by default just an absurd CT.

That is pretty dangerous IMO.

We have enough history with gov't CT exposed (Iran/Contra) as true to understand we should not always just reflexively hand wave these open questions away.

The Epstein case has a massive number of open questions one cannot answer by any prior conventional means or logic. As Victor said that first plea bargain which was a literal breaking of the law by the State AG. Epsteins suicide, which required the defying of layered safety measures to ensure such things would not happen. And so on and so on.

We cannot point to any single one as certain but as a Math guy you know that the odds start to become remote when you need a series of near perfect failures in a row for an outcome to happen.

Sad sad little man

Did we ever discover how come epstein had so much money?

I dont think GM getting off, if she does, means she is some mastermind. It could be but more likely she is beign protected by proxy where the rich and powerful with much to lose from witnesses dont want those witnesses testifying.

A try to 'stop the snowball in its tracks' now approach seems more likely then GM is some major asset. I also suspect that as a matter of law, with epstein unconvicted and dead, it's aint that easy to win - our laywers here may have a better view on that.

When she gets convicted it will be amusing to see how the "rich and powerful protecting her" whatever theories turns into the "rich and powerful are sacrificing her" thing, which again - whatever.

One dude, the one who always talked about the world ending, said she would 100% be dead well over a year ago. Pretty sure she aint dead (as I predicted at the time), but no doubt that guy has changed his messaging to something new and believes in it.

nothing to see here

seems he got a lot from Lerner.

other theories are that he was tied up intelligence CIA FBI Mossad Saudis. one of the abused girls said he had passports from all those countries and a few others. Im sure a blackmail scheme pays well.

also he coulda gotten a lot from Maxwell. her daddy died but he stole a ton of money, where did it go? and one of the bombshells from this Maxwell trial is that they knew each other way earlier than initially thought. some think that Maxwell was like his handler and she was using him for the laundering.

or maybe, as Monteroy snarkily asserts, they were just lone wolf kid diddlers who just happened to hang out with all the rich and powerful and keep binders of pictures and cds of people having sex. maybe a guy with no discernable skill
or background just happened to build an empire by doing pretty much nothing.

Daddy Maxwell stole money from his workers pensions funds to keep his failing business empire afloat. I dont think he had wealth that could make a difference on an epstein scale. He did have intelligence connections that helps feed those theories.

ya is it possible that he hid some of that money and Ghislaine laundered it thru Epstein?

Sick burn.

For anyone who doesn't know, Robert Maxwell (jizz-lane's dad) jumped off his yacht when he was about 400m in debt. There were some conspiracy theories about that at the time too, 95 or something like that, chez?

Maxwell convicted 5/6 counts, see ya!

Glad my creeping doubts proved wrong and Monty's steadfastness proved correct. Hope she is sentenced to the rest of her life and does a tell all, to try to get easier time.

This should not end with her.

I am utterly shocked I got more predictions right by essentially taking the common sense opposite position of -EV derps. Sadly, this specific thing was not one that could buy me another house!

Count 1: Conspiracy to entice a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts - maximum sentence of 5 years

GUILTY

Count 2: Enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts - maximum sentence of 5 years

NOT GUILTY

Count 3: Conspiracy to transport a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity - maximum sentence of 5 years

GUILTY

Count 4: Transporting a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity - maximum sentence of 10 years

GUILTY

Count 5: Conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors - maximum sentence of 5 years

GUILTY

Count 6: Sex trafficking of minors - maximum sentence of 40 years

GUILTY

Wishing her a long and healthy life.

Only 40 years for sex trafficking of a minor???

40 years is a long time if it is truly 40 years.

If it can be reduced to 20 or 10 through some shenanigans or institutional rule-following, then it's not so long.

She'll get suicided long before 40 years is up.

Nah. Far more likely that she'll be running the joint.

Anyone watching the trial thought she was gonna be guilty. But the prosecution was not thorough by any stretch. And most observers have a lot if questions after the trial.