In terms of international law as it exists.

Being so wise generally invites abuse.

2 million cell phones in dense urban setting and zero video evidence of any of this is going on.

Not sure what you expect to happen? Hamas to become large scale drug dealers?

You don't encourage people to become more moderate by bombing the **** out of them.

I would be very surprised if propagandists on either side were avoiding disinformation techniques.

Nevertheless, I can be highly confident that civilians and children are suffering and dying in Gaza, Ukraine, and most every other place in the world with hot military conflicts. How could it be otherwise? There are a million reasons why the use of military force is no trifling matter. The deaths of civilians and children is one of the biggest reasons.

I did make that argument. All land is taken. But there's hardly a more ridiculous claim than what Britain had on Palestine in 1947. They took it by force just 30 years before that having no history or population there.

Unfortunately, Israel is not the one unilaterally enabling and encouraging the bad behavior. The rest of the world is very complicit. If the entire world was on board with punishing Hamas bad behavior then I agree that this could be a peaceful solution.

But unfortunately, the world is complicit. They allow Hamas political leaders to live comfortably in Turkey and Qatar with zero pushback no matter how bad Hamas acts, allow Iran to arm Hamas, and allow Hamas to steal as much of the aid money as they want to build their underground tunnel terror cities and other military infrastructure. And allow them to be as horrible as they want to the people they are holding hostage (the Palestinians of Gaza) with zero pushback.

And this has been going on 20 years, and it is clear it is not working. But the world refuses to modify the incentive structure. So here we are.

No need for the entire world, the majority of the west would suffice. The Lulas of the world can be pro Hamas as much as they want but if the USA + some major European country are adamantly pro Israel with no ifs and buts that's enough

Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation in the uk

I feel like the Sandy Hook alumnus you've harassed has legitimate reasons to be offended by your shtick.

You do encourage them to become more moderate if it's clear to them that you are bombing them because Hamas deserves bombing.

What's with this idea incentives don't matter?

That's not how anyone thinks who's desperate enough to become a terrorist.

"Oh you're bombing me now? Ok, I guess I was wrong all along".

theres a lot of video evidence

Interesting you are so outraged at Luckbox on behalf of the Sandy Hook alumnus, and consistently have been for years.

Yet you are so uninterested when posters like Victor and Pointless deny 10/7 atrocities and endorse pro violence rhetoric in this thread. Almost as if you dont actually have any first principles, and are entirely ideologically driven.

LOL. There is none. Go ahead and show some video evidence of quadcopters sniping Palestinian children. You can't.

This is the full documentary Sheryl Sandberg just released on the rape denial from Oct 7th. It's almost an hour long.




The New York times piece on it is also pretty wow

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/30/o...-sandberg.html


I'm going to try to watch the whole movie this weekend. Judging by the comments, it's going to be a difficult but necessary watch.

It is a 2 way street. The way the greater Arab world has behaved the last 80 years has been guaranteed to radicalize Israel against the Palestinians. No one responds well to violent rhetoric followed up by actual violence. And this is what the Arabs have been dishing out for 80 years.

Sheryl Sandberg does know a lot about rape denial and covering up sex crimes

I'll watch this weekend too

let me know if Yossi Landau makes an appearance

Humanity has always had, and will always have Victors.

All we can do is share the truth and hope some people see it.

the truth is that its all made up. its a hoax. its been debunked thoroughly in all ways.

I too at one point thought there was something to these charges. but there is no evidence and they keep trotting out liars like Yossi Landau.

and whats even more disgusting is these lies are being used to exterminate 2.5 million Palestinians.

I just can't let this pass without any comment

So Trolly,

For the record you are completely outraged and indignant at Luckbox's Sandy Hook views from 15 years ago (or whenever) but mostly agnostic towards this rhetoric. Correct?

Watching this documentary under the shadow Victor casts in here is going to make it far more real than it might have otherwise been for me. That's for sure.