Or it could be people who were personally affected by events that you claim were fake or psy ops, but let's drop this discussion. I actually was offering a modest defense of you as a poster.

And maybe Dick Cheney too. I'm ok with that.

But they don't really have anything to be offended by because they know the truth.

Pictures of the babies are awful, but they seem necessary based on a lot of the posting in here. Maybe every single person killed in Israel and Gaza deserves a picture.

Was Cheney behind Sandy Hook? lol?

Means to criticise. I dunno how common it is in the UK, I just knew the meaning and responded in kind. It's not commonly used in Ireland.

No but he's certainly gotten his hands dirty plenty. I'm sure you slate him.

I don't see anyone denying that children and civilians have been killed. Of course that is true. That occurs every time military force is used on a wide scale. I see people denying that children are being targeted, but you don't defeat that argument by posting a gruesome photo of a dead child.

Wow. Calling them crisis actors in relation to their kids being murdered might just be ever so slightly offensive to Sandy Hook parents, Lucky. So I would opine that they actually would have something to be offended about. Courts thought so too regarding Alex Jones and tapped him for a right few quid and all.

Most people who've held the reins of power have been eminently slateable.

The problem with this viewpoint is there is a lot of bad stuff going on in the world, so obsession with Israel while ignoring the rest shows you aren't really working from any first principle. You are just biased against Israel for whatever reason.

And second, hand waiving away horrible Arab behavior 100% ensures there will never be a satisfactory resolution. The onus cant be completely on Israel. That is just reality. Any actual solution has to acknowledge Arab bad behavior and correct for it. Period.

Nobody took their land

Gaza has their own government and if terrorist weren't in office can actually become a nation

bruv they have a name for it and its been tossed around in this thread many times

Pallyworld

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallywood

This is the Israel/Palestine thread. What do you expect me to be talking about here?

fwiw I tried talking to people about the Rwanda genocide at the time but no one is ever interested in Africa unless it involves consumable poverty porn for libs to virtue signal over.

All land has been taken. The silliest argument ever is that some land in the Levant belongs to someone because Britain gave it to them. The land was Britain's to give?

Dunyan consistently ignores this and that a thread/argument requires two opposing sides to continue. Ignoring reason is his first principle.

Ok. Fair enough. Lets focus on the 2nd part. On top of Hamas, we have Hezbollah, Houthis, PIJ, Lions Den and Iran and all of its proxies scattered across Syria and Iraq. And generally, Arab public sentiment which is extremely antisemitic and glorifies violence against Jews.

Blowback goes both ways. As long as they keep doing their "Kill the infidel" routine; Israel isn't going to play nice. That is just reality. All the pressure cant be on Israel to unilaterally play nice. This is especially evident given the 1400 year history of this region.

On the surface that sounds quite reasonable, but it assumes that Hamas thinks like you or me. The likes of the IRA ETA FARC- these groups were open to actual real negotiation. Hamas don't appear to be open to any form of actual meaningful negotiation that could ultimately benefit them and the Palestinian people. With every proper negotiation comes compromise and concession and swallowing one's pride, from both parties. Such things seem an alien concept to Hamas from what I can see. I would ideally love to see a two state solution that could live in peace but Hamas don't seem willing to share and don't seem to have any game plan other than river to the sea.

I'm not sure you can actually negotiate with them the way you could with the other aforementioned groups.

pure ignorance

You could make this comment about every nation. If you want to argue no land should be owned and nations shouldn't exist, that is fine. But the rest of us are living inside the magic show and are dealing with the rules put in place.

And except in very bad places like Russia, Turkey, Pakistan and China which operate on the "might makes right" principle: those rules more or less acknowledge that when millions of people have been living on a land for generations and have set up a functional nation state, that it is their land.

Hamas more or less functions as a mafia group that has been running the same playbook given to them by Arafat and the PLO. Create problems, and then demand bribes to temporarily settle the problems. And rinse and repeat over and over. And the world has more or less payed them off every time, so they have no incentive to change their business model.

The world needs to deal with Hamas the same way we dealt with Italian America mafia. Stop rewarding bad behavior and have zero tolerance for the worst behavior. And then they can decide to change their business model to survive. If Hamas wants to go legit like the Saudi's that is their prerogative. But if they don't, crush them.

remember when Dun and rafki claimed they werent using quadcopter drones to snipe and machine gun people?



this guy is a UK Dr and runs a University. hes proly lying tho right?

No need to get so abusive.

The Un gave it to them not Britain

But i digress

We are talking about Gaza

In terms of international law as it exists.