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Israel now 2nd favourite for the Eurovision song contest having been backed in from 50-1 yesterday.

She was booed during rehearsals and during the semi final by pro-Palestine protesters, because y'know you should definitely blame a singer for the actions of Israel.

Baruch hashem and chag sameach

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05-10-2024 , 06:00 AM

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L0LWAT

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What's the distinction between an Israeli "settler" and a Palestinian "terrorist"? Mostly propaganda, weapons, and resources.

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05-10-2024 , 06:00 AM

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metsandfinsfan

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Originally Posted by Elrazor

Sidenote. The song was originally called October Rain and was rejected as too controversial... name was changed and some of the lyrics were changed and here we are

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05-10-2024 , 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Can we just ****ing ban him already?

Seriously. This is out of hand

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05-10-2024 , 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

Nobody wants civilians killed

Well besides hamas

You want war, you want civilians killed. Stop pretending otherwise.

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05-10-2024 , 07:57 AM

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and you want israeli civilians raped and murdered again, being the natural consequence of allowing hamas to continue to run gaza

i can understand why you dont care about that, but you will appreciate that the israeli government does

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05-10-2024 , 07:58 AM

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No, that's wrong as usual but keep BOIDSing the thread up with red hot football bloke in pub takes.

I want a permanent ceasefire and a Palestinian state which seems the only option now.

You ghouls want more massacres and limbless children*. Nice.

* though to you they're not real humans I guess

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05-10-2024 , 08:04 AM

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i'm sure you would opt for zero deaths if you had a magic wand, but you dont, and so unfortunately the natural consequence of your preferred course of action is murdered and raped israeli civilians

grow up, and own it

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05-10-2024 , 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

When there are no good tactics for a strategy then it's a bad strategy.

I can easily believe that all the tactics for rhis urban warfare are horrific

This is bullshit and you know it.

Imagine yourself saying this: if there is no good way to withdraw from Afghanistan then it’s a bad strategy to withdraw from Afghanistan.

You can’t.

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05-10-2024 , 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Can we just ****ing ban him already?

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Originally Posted by holmfries

Seriously. This is out of hand

I don't know what Holmfries is about but if I'm in agreement with trolly on something then that position is almost guaranteed to be correct

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05-10-2024 , 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

What is so hard to understand about Hamas is not actually interested in permanent peace? They straight up tell us they are not relenting from their mission to eradicate Jews “river to the sea” and will repeat Oct 7 on a grander scale when able.

They are openly saying they just want to get a break, to get Israelis to pay for their reconstruction, and to resume the rapes and murders when able. How could you blame Israel for treating Hamas as an existing threat? How could you think they are serious about peace?

You want permanent peace? Get rid of Hamas.

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05-10-2024 , 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

I don't know what Holmfries is about but if I'm in agreement with trolly on something then that position is almost guaranteed to be correct

who do you think Trolly was talking about? who are you talking about luckbox?

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05-10-2024 , 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Luciom

It's incredible you ask for Jewish soldiers to die more in order to have fewer Palestinian civilians dead, no country in the history of world would operate under that perverted and immoral logic

I'm skeptical. There almost certainly have been times when a nuclear power could have used nuclear weapons with little or no fear of nuclear retaliation but instead chose to put ground forces at risk.

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05-10-2024 , 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BOIDS

Fat bloke in pub speaketh

Just offer them all, Palestinians and Israelis alike, citizenship in the US and see what compromises can be made for those who remain, including a Palestinian state. Sorry your dreams of a toxic nuclear state for people wanting to impose Apartheid on Muslims doesn't wash.

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05-10-2024 , 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by grizy

This is bullshit and you know it.

Imagine yourself saying this: if there is no good way to withdraw from Afghanistan then it’s a bad strategy to withdraw from Afghanistan.

You can’t.

No it's not bullshit. Exiting afganistan was a key part of the strategy - if there was no achievable end game then going in was a bad idea. This is generally true with military solutions. They are so easy to get into, everyone can sound really brave and tough, then they are an uncontrollable cluster **** and then you can't get out.

Military solutions need to have a clear achiveable objective. Not 'we must do something 'brave and tough' even if it's monstrously stupid and then blame everyone else.

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05-10-2024 , 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

You want war, you want civilians killed. Stop pretending otherwise.

I don't want war. I want hanas to surrender and return the hostages. I don't want Israel to take over gaza either

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05-10-2024 , 08:29 AM

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Yeah, like every aggressor wants the object of their belligerence to surrender, and if they don't...

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05-10-2024 , 08:29 AM

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Boids said nothing wrong

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05-10-2024 , 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Yeah, like every aggressor wants the object of their belligerence to surrender, and if they don't...

Israel isn't the aggressor. They were attacked and are ensuring this group never attacks them again

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05-10-2024 , 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Schlitz mmmm

Vic, go kill yourself. Save the world the hassle.

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Originally Posted by Victor

who do you think Trolly was talking about? who are you talking about luckbox?

I assumed it was this post. Perhaps I'm wrong but the timing was right.

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05-10-2024 , 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Horror

I oppose BDS.

BDS focuses attention on apartheid. That's good.

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05-10-2024 , 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Yeah, like every aggressor wants the object of their belligerence to surrender, and if they don't...

Hamas: we will rape and murder and if you don't do what we say we will do it again

It's only bad when jews do it i guess

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05-10-2024 , 08:32 AM

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The terror attacks were very bad but an inevitable result of talking people's land from them. How did you expect Palestinians to react after so many decades?

No one slates the ANC or PIRA, only Hamas because they are Muslims, the world's new de facto bogey men.

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05-10-2024 , 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

Israel isn't the aggressor. They were attacked and are ensuring this group never attacks them again

Right. By culling them in a war. Which you say you're against. lol

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05-10-2024 , 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BOIDS

You own it. Unfortuntely the natural consequences of empowering the worst elements while so damaging israels international support are really serious.

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