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Originally Posted by rafiki
Micro if 500k Ukrainians die, we'll be lucky to see 1/50th the outrage. We'll see more than Syria, for sure. But even now, the aerial images of the Ukrainian cities that are dust are bonkers. The amount of refugees the conflict created is staggering. It won't matter how many of those people die by a pretty white hand. One key element IS missing.
Ukrainian refugess are many millions today but they are kind of a strange type, i'll try to explain.
Yes some people fled from actual war zones, but in general a ton of people in ukraine simply had wanted to move to the EU for very basic reasons, and they had the opportunity with the invasion.
So it's not like desperate people in rags, rather very normal people. The flows are analogous to the moldavian flows. Not too many people know that romania will basically automatically issue passports to most moldovans (for theoretical common ancestry), and with that in hand they can go everywhere in the EU. Which is why moldova lost most of its young people and so on, even with no invasion.
Ukraine kinda saw the same happening (but all concentrated in 2 years instead of 15) because with the invasion, we basically removed all bureaucracy to let any ukrainian in. It was the right thing to do because we had no ways to properly check if they came from actual war zones or not and so on, but a ton of the people where living normal lives in ukraine, and simply moved because they had a chance (+ money spent on them because of refugee status).
Ukraine is done for because of this, can never rebuild properly even if the invasion stops and putin leaves , because the vast majority of refugees won't go back home (and we won't kick them away even if the war ends).
So in a way a country of what, 40m people before the invasion will linger on for a generation or two with impossible demographic imbalances even if we can somehow miracolously manage to send putin back to russia. That's already something infinitely more dramatic than what happens in gaza and west bank, where they have no normal country to lose to begin with