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Thing is Jews in the US used to be more like Einstein, Chomsky, Saul Alinsky, Emma Goldman, Bernie... and now things have gotten kinda crappy and mets thinks Jews are all Ben Shapiro or Dennis Prager.

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04-25-2024 , 02:08 PM

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i dont think anyone in here is saying anti-semitism doesn't exist. it very obviously does. it just isn't college kids putting up tents for their universities to stop investing in Israel while Israel is killing tens of thousands of innocent people on a revenge ethnic cleansing mission.

there were huge arguments in this thread earlier about how calling everything genocide devalues the genocides that actually happened, but yet the same people are saying that the mere presence of a palestinian flag is antisemitism and they don't think that devalues it?

One begets the other. This isn’t a genocide, it’s a war. Language matters.

No one (remotely reasonable) thinks the presence of a Palestinian flag has anything to do with anti-Semitism.

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04-25-2024 , 02:17 PM

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Haven't been keeping up with this thread recently. Clicked on the last couple of pages and see that we are somehow seeing even more hatred of Jews in this thread than a few months ago. Incredible how things never change.

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04-25-2024 , 02:26 PM

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One begets the other. This isn’t a genocide, it’s a war. Language matters.

A war that will only be declared over when there are very few civilians on the losing side left?

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04-25-2024 , 02:27 PM

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It’s crazy HOW MANY students broke the law.

I agree

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04-25-2024 , 02:35 PM

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if anyone wants to know what heavy handed treatment of protestors looks like, here's a news story from today

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/25/m...ntl/index.html

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Dissident rapper Toomaj Salehi has been given a death sentence for his involvement in the widespread protests that swept Iran in 2022, according to his lawyer.

“An order for the execution of Toomaj Salehi has been issued,” Salehi’s lawyer Amir Raesian tweeted Wednesday.

The rapper has been detained, held in solitary confinement and was allegedly tortured following his arrest.

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04-25-2024 , 02:39 PM

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These guys actually think "wHaTBoUt IraN??!?!" is a clever argument, brains completely smashed into goo.

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04-25-2024 , 02:40 PM

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I get that, but your response doesn't make sense as a response to my post when you understand my post as a response to Lucium's now does it?

I'll try adding a little more value about the definition of Jews here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semite_and_Jew

Sartre argued, at least in part, that it's the antisemite who defines the Jew.

Jews are regarded as an ethnicity. Not sure why their one state is dismissed or spoken of negatively as an ethnostate. Any white or black or Hispanic majority country could be regarded as an ethnostate by the same rationale, yet only Israel gets the ethnostate treatment because reasons.

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04-25-2024 , 02:40 PM

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A war that will only be declared over when there are very few civilians on the losing side left?

When the terrorist organization that slaughters Jews every chance they get is wiped out.

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04-25-2024 , 02:41 PM

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I agree

We finally agree on something.

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04-25-2024 , 02:43 PM

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These guys actually think "wHaTBoUt IraN??!?!" is a clever argument, brains completely smashed into goo.

Even more amazing when it comes from mongodig or lucium who actually do want to run over or otherwise kill protesters.

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04-25-2024 , 02:46 PM

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It’s crazy HOW MANY students broke the law.

good news tho! I found that the Texas students were most likely not breaking the law!

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04-25-2024 , 02:49 PM

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Race is bullshit so it's not surprising that it's not logical, but why am I guaranteed citizenship in Israel even though I'm an atheist?

Because as a sovereign state they can decide what qualifies.

Same as Italy allow people with Italians great-great-great parents to take citizenship.

That doesn't make those people ethnically Italian because there isn't one specific Italian ethnicity. Ethnically italian doesn't mean anything.

Race isn't bullshit when properly defined (ancestor commonality over a lot of generations), it is when used in the sense america (and so many countries in the world) does.

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04-25-2024 , 02:49 PM

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The Republicans haven't had their way yet so even though USA is a white majority country, there's nothing written in the law at the moment that gives whites some special status as far as becoming citizens.

Israel is not the only country with special laws based on ethnicity though. I find 17 countries that have something like it, though of those probably only Israel/Jews and Armenian are thought of as ethnicities here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return

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04-25-2024 , 02:51 PM

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Hardly surprising that someone who identifies as a racist doesn't think race is bullshit.

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04-25-2024 , 02:56 PM

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no I said it was crazy how many students have been arrested.

I bolded the operative words that you werent able to comprehend. try rereading it now.

If it makes you feel better, I would be shocked if any of them were charged with anything by the local DA. It is pretty much a lock unless they are extremely violent no one will be charged in NY or USC schools, and probably true in Texas, Georgia and Florida too.

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04-25-2024 , 03:01 PM

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These guys actually think "wHaTBoUt IraN??!?!" is a clever argument, brains completely smashed into goo.

The next time i see a big college protest about how Iran treats anybody, I'll send you a dollar

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04-25-2024 , 03:02 PM

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good news tho! I found that the Texas students were most likely not breaking the law!

University can impose time and place restrictions

They asked people to leave

They didn't

They got arrested

/society

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04-25-2024 , 03:06 PM

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When the terrorist organization that slaughters Jews every chance they get is wiped out.

"The terrorists" = entire population of Gaza including children. Otherwise why so many dead children?

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04-25-2024 , 03:09 PM

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The next time i see a big college protest about how Iran treats anybody, I'll send you a dollar

The wild thing is that leftist college students protest when women who were subjected to tremendous abuse under Islamist rule speak out against it. Western leftists are so infatuated with Islamism (or at least their romanticized perception of what Islamism is) they get outraged at anyone who objects to it.

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04-25-2024 , 03:09 PM

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because hamas' equivalent of the iron dome is their women and children

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04-25-2024 , 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

"The terrorists" = entire population of Gaza including children. Otherwise why so many dead children?

Your words, not mine.

But we both know the answer to this question.

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04-25-2024 , 03:15 PM

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https://twitter.com/mattizcoop/statu...utORfNHug&s=19

Nypd
Kkk
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They're all the same

So yes the people who hate Jews hate cops

Shocking, i know

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04-25-2024 , 03:19 PM

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The biggest problem with the SJP protests and why even the most sympathetic administrators cant do anything to appease them is that the demands are completely absurd and divorced from reality.

They are demanding that their schools divest from Blackrock and Vanguard and somehow force Israel to unilaterally "ceasefire" and allow right of return for 5 million Palestinians. It is completely absurd and outside the scope of any reasonable expectation one could make of even a sympathetic administration. There is absolutely nothing to do.