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04-16-2024 , 11:08 AM

#20051

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Saying you want peace and acting like you want peace are two different things

What if the pro Israeli people hadn’t done a coup against the British?

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04-16-2024 , 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunyain

--As opposed to this?

Always good to keep in mind the people in this part of the world (including the majority of Palestinians) think ethnic cleansing is good, they just think they have a God given mandate to be the only ones doing it.

On top of the Arab fascist nationalist movement, of which ethnic cleansing is a big component of; the nation of Turkey itself has been on a century long project of removing non ethnic Muslim Turks, killing millions and displacing millions more. And this is on top of the Muslim Arab militias displacing millions in Africa.

In an honest debate, a truly honest one, this post always just puts it to rest.

But we've not had an honest debate in here since the word go.

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04-16-2024 , 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rafiki

In the midst of wanton aggression, we yet call upon the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to return to the ways of peace and play their part in the development of the State, with full and equal citizenship and due representation in its bodies and institutions -- provisional or permanent.

We offer peace and unity to all the neighboring states and their peoples, and invite them to cooperate with the independent Jewish nation for the common good of all.

That Trolly, is attempting to have a peaceful region. That's right out of the declaration of independence. Full and equal citizenship. They (the Arabs) were made an offer, they refused. Then they invaded.

We both know how differently it could have gone. What the Hamastans never seem to want to do is ask what might have happened if better choices were made.

What if they Arabs agreed and gave the Jews the 17%?

What if the Arabs put down arms on independence, and came to live as citizens?

What if Camp David had been accepted?

What if Gazans put down their weapons in 2005 and worked towards turning Gaza into something?

Why do we always ignore the key moments where better choices save the region?

Rafi, you've gone in to full-on Holocaust denial mode and it's ****ing gross. It's not too late to take a step back, realize you've been letting an understandable sense of fear affect your judgement, and get off this path.

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04-16-2024 , 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by microbet

Twitter and tiktok are streams of anecdotes. And it's not a random sampling. It can have news items, but there's no way it's a representative population. And both you and people like mets do this. Someone could very easily post a stream of comments from Palestine activists saying all Jews everywhere should be boiled in oil. Very easily.

The actual polls are bad enough. The anecdotes are ridic. I don't want to have to find tiktoks or whatevers of people calling for peace from both sides and just flood this thread with them, but maybe I should. I'm sure I could find 50 of them every day if I wanted. Actually after a day it'd be easy and the algorithms would do all the work.

almost 90% of the Jewish Israeli population either supports the way the war is being waged or think the Army is not killing enough.

we have pages of genocidal statements by leaderssubmitted by SA to the courts.

many Israeli scholars have been predicting an event like this for years given the radicalization and dehumanization in their society.

these soldiers are a reflection of that.

this is going to go down in history as one of the all time greatest crimes. it seems that you think this is some both sides type thing. its not. its a coordinated effort the torture and murder a civilian population.

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04-16-2024 , 11:19 AM

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The irony of people like Bill Haywood and Victor insisting that the Palestinian project is a secular fascist nationalist movement, is that this is actually worse. The fascist nationalist Arab movement is explicitly a Nazi sympathetic movement to create pure Arab Muslim ethnostates.

This is opposed to Islamism, which is fundamentally an Apartheid ideology where it is codified by Islamic law that infidels can coexist as second class citizens. Even Hamas states upon their reconquer of Israel, after they have killed all the fighters and enslaved all the high human capital Jews, the rest can stay as dhimni.

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04-16-2024 , 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Victor

Vic, fully everyone is tired of you spamming random unverifiable tweets.

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04-16-2024 , 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Vic, fully everyone is tired of you spamming random unverifiable tweets.

right bc Palestinian journalists dont count. your racism is showing.

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04-16-2024 , 11:23 AM

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the tweets make you uncomfortable. they should make you uncomfortable.

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04-16-2024 , 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Victor

Nakba denial. really vile stuff.

This coming from the genocidal Jew hater who denies the atrocities of October 7th…

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04-16-2024 , 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gs3737

This coming from the genocidal Jew hater who denies the atrocities of October 7th…

repeat a big lie often enough and maybe people will believe it. wonder where you learned that technique from?

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04-16-2024 , 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Victor

repeat a big lie often enough and maybe people will believe it. wonder where you learned that technique from?

That’s literally your M.O.

It’s ok vic, so long as you believe your own bs.

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04-16-2024 , 11:38 AM

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Bill Haywood

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Originally Posted by rafiki

Bill they were invited to live in Israel. That's not ethnic cleansing.

Are you serious? 750,000 were expelled. Plan Dalet, adopted March 1948, set the priorities to seize as much land with as few Palestinians as possible.

Benny "Finish the Job" Morris accepts there was a Nakba, why can't you?

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04-16-2024 , 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rafiki

Nothing I've discussed has anything to do with American troops in the middle east. That's not what this pact would be.

What I am getting at is Biden isn't chomping at the bits to get more closely aligned with Saudis or anyone else in the region.

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04-16-2024 , 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by gs3737

That’s literally your M.O.

It’s ok vic, so long as you believe your own bs.

you would not be able to find a single one

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04-16-2024 , 11:55 AM

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micro, this guy doesnt think its just anecdotes. he wrote like 100 pages on what he has seen.

hes a Jewish Israeli professor and not one of those dirty Arabs that Trolly likes to dismiss

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04-16-2024 , 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

you would not be able to find a single one

who killed most of the dead israeli civilians on oct 7

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04-16-2024 , 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

you would not be able to find a single one

Basically every one of your insane, hate-filled posts.

Even the guys on the same side as you see it.

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04-16-2024 , 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BOIDS

who killed most of the dead israeli civilians on oct 7

hard to say. maybe there should be an independent international investigation.

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04-16-2024 , 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

micro, this guy doesnt think its just anecdotes. he wrote like 100 pages on what he has seen.

Goddamn Vic, you're so very close. Now maybe consider reading and sharing these published articles instead of some unverifiable tweet.

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04-16-2024 , 12:25 PM

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that guys is looking at the same stuff I am. he is drawing the same conclusions. I dont have the ability to write long articles. but I know what I see.

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04-16-2024 , 12:28 PM

#20071

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I feel like almost all tweets are unverified and should be treated as pointless words

Vic has a large bias but that doesn’t mean he’s wrong

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04-16-2024 , 12:48 PM

#20072

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Originally Posted by Victor

hard to say.

wasn't hard when you were telling us that the IDF did most of it

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04-16-2024 , 12:51 PM

#20073

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Originally Posted by rafiki

In an honest debate, a truly honest one, this post always just puts it to rest.

But we've not had an honest debate in here since the word go.

The antisemites cleanse the Jews from 40 countries and scream Nabka?

Sounds legit

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04-16-2024 , 12:54 PM

#20074

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The rape denier says that Israel murdered its own people on oct 7

Adds up too

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04-16-2024 , 12:58 PM

#20075

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Originally Posted by Victor

the tweets make you uncomfortable. they should make you uncomfortable.

I dont think the tweets make trolly feel unconfortable. I think hes saying that the tweets shouldnt make anyone feel unconfortable or really anything at all because twitter is a personality influencer and is theatre.

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