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03-06-2024 , 10:59 PM

#16201

Dunyain

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

I was asking Victor what he thinks about what Hamas thinks about the help they've received. Nothing more nothing less.

Victor doesn't feel it is his place to question the strategy or tactics of the resistance; including Iran, Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas, North Korea, Russia, ISIS, Boko Haram, Khmer Rouge, etc.. His criticism is solely for Israel and the US.

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03-06-2024 , 11:12 PM

#16202

Victor

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ISIS is western backed and in opposition to the Axis of Resistance.

Khmer, again western backed although I dont think they really exist anymore.

Russia and North Korea are not part of the Resistance.

hope that clarifies things.

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03-06-2024 , 11:22 PM

#16203

Crossnerd

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Originally Posted by Dunyain

Would you have questioned the tactics of the Irgun or Lehi when they resisted the British during the mandate? Palestinians aren’t even the OG terrorists in the area. But we don’t talk about that

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03-06-2024 , 11:26 PM

#16204

Crossnerd

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Since we quote individuals here and then attribute what they say to every member of their tribe, what might the same posters say about something like this?

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Neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat. We are very far from having any moral qualms as far as our national war goes. We have before us the command of the Torah, whose morality surpasses that of any other body of laws in the world: "Ye shall blot them out to the last man."

But first and foremost, terrorism is for us a part of the political battle being conducted under the present circumstances, and it has a great part to play: speaking in a clear voice to the whole world, as well as to our wretched brethren outside this land, it proclaims our war against the occupier.

We are particularly far from this sort of hesitation in regard to an enemy whose moral perversion is admitted by all.

From a Zionist paramilitant group c1943

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03-06-2024 , 11:26 PM

#16205

Schlitz mmmm

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Whatever the maneuver, it didn't work. Plan B

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03-06-2024 , 11:35 PM

#16206

Crossnerd

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The Irgun anthem

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Tagar -
Through all obstacles and enemies
Whether you go up or down
In the flames of revolt
Carry a flame to kindle – never mind!
For silence is filth
Worthless is blood and soul
For the sake of the hidden glory

To die or to conquer the hill -
Yodefet, Masada, Betar.

Gosh, if one didn’t know better they might call them Jihadis?

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03-06-2024 , 11:38 PM

#16207

Dunyain

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Originally Posted by Crossnerd

Would you have questioned the tactics of the Irgun or Lehi when they resisted the British during the mandate? Palestinians aren’t even the OG terrorists in the area. But we don’t talk about that

You must have missed my post where I argued the Roman defeat of Jewish freedom fighters/terrorists as a model for how you actually can totally defeat terrorists (as opposed to the liberal narrative that you kill one terrorist, and you recruit 2 more).

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03-06-2024 , 11:43 PM

#16208

Dunyain

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Originally Posted by Crossnerd

The Irgun anthem

Gosh, if one didn’t know better they might call them Jihadis?

Well, Israel doesn't have an Island nation 10,000 miles away to retreat to as Plan B if things dont work out; so they better take the lesson to heart and take dealing with the Palestinian terrorists a lot more serious than the British did the Zionists.

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03-06-2024 , 11:44 PM

#16209

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Originally Posted by Crossnerd

Would you have questioned the tactics of the Irgun or Lehi when they resisted the British during the mandate? Palestinians aren’t even the OG terrorists in the area. But we don’t talk about that

Igun?

the ones who fought a battle with a few dozen deaths and nearly started a civil war against the Israeli state?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altalena_Affair

oh and whos leader later became prime minister

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin

dont even get me started on all the massacres of Palestinians these scumbags did.

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03-06-2024 , 11:50 PM

#16210

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this guy was Lehi. wonder if this is a mistranslation or something I dunno.

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03-07-2024 , 12:04 AM

#16211

Schlitz mmmm

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Almost like they're jihadis. So self satisfying

They've been radicalized long ago, Crossdork

Speed ahead in the conversation

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03-07-2024 , 12:17 AM

#16212

chezlaw

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wasn't samson the first 'suicide bomber'?

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03-07-2024 , 01:21 AM

#16213

Schlitz mmmm

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lol

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03-07-2024 , 07:29 AM

#16214

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nyt article on why victor and his fellow terrorist sympathisers spend so much time and energy denying the rapes which occurred on 7 oct

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/05/o...ce-israel.html

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first it’s worth looking at the forms this denialism takes. One method is to acknowledge, as one recent article put it, that “sexual assault may have occurred on Oct. 7,” but nobody has really proved that it was part of an organized pattern. Another is to raise questions about various details in stories to suggest that if there’s even a single error, or a witness whose testimony is at all inconsistent, the entire account must also be false and dishonest. A third is to treat anything an Israeli says as inherently suspect.

And finally, there is the point that there are barely any witnesses to the assaults. Where are the women who were allegedly raped? Why aren’t they speaking out?

4/4

by the way, i understand if any mods reading this are uncomfortable with my referring to a fellow poster as as terrorist sympathiser, but victor has repeatedly expressed his sympathy for hamas and the houthis in yemen itt and elsewhere in this forum, and both of those groups have been designated as terrorist organisations by the US, UK, EU and elsewhere

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03-07-2024 , 07:45 AM

#16215

Victor

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all 4 of those things are reasonable!

tell me why I should believe Yossi Landau about this one thing after he has lied so many times?

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03-07-2024 , 08:23 AM

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03-07-2024 , 09:01 AM

#16217

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https://twitter.com/TheTNHoller/stat...vZHqTvx2w&s=19

feel like this is half the people here

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03-07-2024 , 09:06 AM

#16218

Victor

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I dont see him on the AIPAC list. but Ill bet that performance gets him on it next time!

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03-07-2024 , 09:52 AM

#16219

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

But what happens if you don't believe in broad sweeping oppressor/oppressed paradigms to apply to all situations?

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03-07-2024 , 09:56 AM

#16220

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Originally Posted by rafiki

But what happens if you don't believe in broad sweeping oppressor/oppressed paradigms to apply to all situations?

What happens when you remember that the oppressor/oppressed frame is the Marxist one and as everything Marxist it's the source of basically all evil in society nowadays?

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03-07-2024 , 10:34 AM

#16221

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Originally Posted by Luciom

What happens when you remember that the oppressor/oppressed frame is the Marxist one and as everything Marxist it's the source of basically all evil in society nowadays?

What’s more evil than killing mass civilians?

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03-07-2024 , 10:36 AM

#16222

Victor

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Originally Posted by rafiki

But what happens if you don't believe in broad sweeping oppressor/oppressed paradigms to apply to all situations?

what if there is no such thing as an oppressed person? then its all good to destroy, murder, and enslave.

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03-07-2024 , 10:38 AM

#16223

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

What’s more evil than killing mass civilians?

not optimizing material prosperity above everything else, which kills far more people in the long run.

And btw communists killed more than any other human group

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03-07-2024 , 10:41 AM

#16224

rafiki

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

What’s more evil than killing mass civilians?

Carrying out the Pogrom you KNEW would lead to it, and then running back to hide behind your women and children, with babies and old people in tow? I dunno man, it's at least unquestionably diabolically evil.

What's ironic is the oppressor/oppressed folks just aren't old enough to remember the 40's to 80's, where most of the world viewed Israel as the small oppressed one being attacked on all fronts. Israel fought really hard (in those defensive wars) and put everything it had into becoming strong. Strong enough that today it can rank among the "oppressors". I guess all Israel had to do to avoid that, was lose.