what percentage of the Israeli population is fully onboard with a complete annexation and removal of Palestinians in the West bank and Gaza ?

you dont need to count 90 year old generals that go on racist rants.

My guess is that sending american troops to support Palestinians ends up with more people dying.


I like the desire to stop the genocide, I just think that your plan is a little too outlandish. I don't think the palestinians would support it. It would also still be an occupation.

According to google:
The vast majority — 68 percent — support full annexation of the West Bank without giving the Palestinians political rights. About one fifth (21 percent) don't know what they think about annexation, 5 percent oppose any annexation and another 5 percent support full annexation with political rights for Palestinians.

And many are religious nuts who think that if they’re martyred killing “infidels” they’ll be rewarded with eternal salvation. Tough to negotiate or even have a reasonable dialogue with people who believe that.

are these considered religious nuts too ?

https://twitter.com/Angryman_J/statu...zAgC3Q7Gg&s=19

Can you point to any time Israel allowed negotiation or reasonable dialogue?

Americans in the area mean Israel won’t attack. This isn’t the 70s with the uss Liberty, Israel isn’t going to kill our guys to try to get us into a war

Not if you are talking about Israel and Palestine. Thomas Friedman has written extensive on politics in this area of the world for at least three decades.

Israel has negotiated lots. If you're talking about the hostages, in 2011 Israel traded 1027 for 1 in a prisoner exchange.

If you're talking about settlements, in 2005 Israel dismantled all 21 settlements in Gaza after negotiations.

Or more recently, Israel and Hamas had negotiated a cease fire agreement.

Which has the higher literacy rate,
Israel or Palestine?

Who has the highest literacy rate in the world

Probably. Since religion is ****ing nuts, it's not much of a stretch to get to "religious nut" once you're already at "religious".

No, but that doesn't mean anything because I don't really pay attention to what Israel does. Can you?

I also can't point to a time where Israel slaughtered civilians or took civilian hostages either. But they may have.

Israel has slaughtered civilians lots of times. Today for example. Yesterday also. Hostages? In Israel they call them "detainees". Israel has 1264 Palestinians held for an indeterminate time period facing no charges and with no trial.

bruv they just murdered thousands of civilians in the last week. Ill bet many were decapitated when their buildings fell on their heads.

oh you want nonviolent protest?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E...order_protests

tbf, the murders on this one were proly accidental. it seems that Israel had a policy of aiming for arms and legs and creating amputees.

maybe you should pay attention rather than just buying into whatever bs the Western press feeds you.

Right, they're just snatching children and old women and holding them hostage. Complete moral equivalence. What kind of ransoms are they asking for?

ok, but those are not the substantive negotiations the Palestinian underclass or concentrated civilians desire or deserve.

I just mean negotiations to end the apartheid state and allow for a return of Palestinians to their land. and give them freedom of movement.

I get that you're emotional, but you're being so dishonest lately.

Shrug. I think something resembling that was last negotiated in 2005-6, but obviously didn't turn out well. It has been suggested that that was by design on Israel's part, but I dunno. It could be the Rabin assassination in 1995 ended earnest negotiations like that.

I didn't say anything about "moral equivalence". Really anyone who utters that phrase should be ignored. It's just idiotic rhetoric.

I am not an expert on all the different phases. broadly, given the forced relocations and massacres of the 40s thru 80s there was no chance. and since the Intifada it doesnt seem like Israel has had any inclination to allow freedom.

First intifada was in 1987. Rabin was killed by a right-wing-nut-job Israeli in 1995 because he thought Israel was seriously negotiating.

There's nothing to negotiate. They killed the alpha's babies and they're going to die a brutal death. Welcome to the jungle.

But the main point is that Israel isn't factoring in the Palestinians anymore than if we were attacked by NK we'd factor in saving the lives or providing relief for innocent North Koreans in regard to our retaliation. Instead, all we'd care about is if our tactics were effective in eliminating the threat or preventing them from attacking us again.

But things are evolving rapidly. They basically have Hamas and their supporters in the northern sector kettled, albeit underground. And they can pretty much assume any able bodied people out and about in a war zone are militants. And it's not like they're going to tunnel their way into Jerusalem. So Hamas in that area are effectively combat ineffective. Outside of exposing themselves with missile launches, they can't do much to anyone unless they enter that area, at least from what we've seen of their capabilities.

Of course not Jerusalem which is 40 miles from Gaza and is at 2500' elevation, while most of Gaza is near sea level. But, tunneling out of Gaza into either Israel or Egypt has been a thing going on for a long time.

https://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...e-gaza-tunnels

Probably one of Israel's primary objectives in the probably upcoming invasion will be to locate and close tunnels (killing people in them probably too, but just closing the tunnels).

I thought they had already detected and destroyed almost all of the tunnels into Israel years ago.