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Originally Posted by rafiki
"all of them are bad" stance too. Like **** off, truly. I'm the first to admit a huge amount of them celebrated Oct 7 and 9/11. But we gotta get off this "all" stuff. These absolutes help nobody.
Well, the issue isn't that all of them are bad. The issue is that for tribal/xenophobic reasons if it is perceived the choice is between supporting Palestinian Jihadis or "collaborating with Zionists", they are always going to choose their own side. And this is irrespective of what the obvious outcome is going to be.
So this gives the uncompromising terrorist faction of their society (Hamas, Lions Den, IJ, etc.) effectively veto power to over-rule any move towards peace.
At this point the majority of Palestinians support armed fight against Israel, and are committed to total conquest of Israel. Even in the hypothetical this changed and the majority wanted peace, it would still be extremely easy for the terrorist faction of society to keep fighting (including attacking Israel and intimidating/assassinating "Zionist collaborators" in the peace process) and derail in any peace.
Because of how Palestinian society is radicalized and structured, and their deep rooted tribalism and racism against Jews, and the perverse incentive structures provided by the UN/Iran/Qatar, it is almost irrelevant whether "they are all bad" or not, because the outcome will be the same as if they were.
I mean you can definitely argue rhetoric and actions should be dialed down because it doesn't' do any good. But the argument there is really no peaceful path forward with Palestinian society structured the way it is is just reality.