I didn't realize the Hamas tunnel system is Gaza is TWICE the length of the London subway system. That's impressive. So in 17 years, they've built the single most elaborate and massive human shield system known to man. Truly impressive and diabolical.

The entire Hamas strategy, and I mean their only play, is:

1) dig
2) manufacture and launch missiles, take hostages
3) put all of Gaza between you and the tunnels. Literally that's what this is. An entire innocent society lives above them
4) add the hostages as a final ring of human shields

And then you make the Israelis determine an equation like:

(Israeli soldiers lost) + (Israeli hostages lost) + (civilian catastrophe) + (Israeli politicians being politicians) = where will Israel break off their fighting

You also make Israel decide if they can even play the hostage swap game. If you concede, you turn all future hostages into the most valuable thing Hamas can get their hands on. Now that becomes the weapon of choice.

Khan Yunis is either the last great battle and they go for it and call the Hamas bluff (and the hostages surely die). Or we see what sort of political wizardry someone dreams up.

that wasnt their mission

oh, yes

*kill as many civilians as possible and, additionally, take as many civilian hostages as possible

kill soldiers and take hostages.

at this point it is blatantly obv that Israel killed most of the civilians.

well that should have be done like 30 years ago when bibi took office the first time....

about the arms i dont think it would be hard for israel to buy somewhere else which that somewhere else would had bought those same US weapons previously.
i might be wrong tho.

The us abstained rather than veto i belie several times under obama iirc

I don't pretend to even begin to understand the complexities of the issue beyond the superficial narratives, but that seems like an incredible waste of effort and resources for a people in their spot. There comes a point where the cost of vengeance isn't worth its benefit, especially when you're wasting all your effort to further a 'multi generational grievance' and just not, like, working to better your own lives.

Acknowledging its totally complex, there may be oppression dynamics going on, etc, etc, etc, still can't help but believe that Israel would snap-call any offer where they just stopped building that terrorist **** and worked cooperatively to improve their living conditions.

I would be OK if all parties were fully defunded by the US until they learned how to get along.

nope. but I understand your sentiment. it really is inconceivable esp when only casually hearing mainstream headlines

but construction in Gaza is strictly controlled by Israel. and Israel routinely destroys infrastructure.

further there are numerous reports, even from the mouths of higher ups, of the Israelis propping up Hamas as a way to divide Palestinians, weaken other internal groups, and maintain a tight grip in the name of "terrorism".

Hamas leadership is basically of two types of people:

1. The type that's becoming actual billionaires living the high life in Doha/Istanbul/wherever they happen to be
2. The type that's drunk so much kool-aid they are actually happy to die as martyrs in Gaza

Neither group is interested in stopping their terrorist activities. 1 is being paid to continue. 2 is trying to kill as many Israelis as possible.

I won’t pretend it wasn’t. It was in response to this personal cheap shot that somehow was not deleted. If Mets can say wildly out of line things about other posters children then I can point out that he doesn’t have any.

Cut off Israel funding so terrorists can blow them up?

US aid to Israel is like 12% of their military budget and it comes with constraints about having to buy USA made stuff. If they didn't get that aid, they'd just buy more stuff from China and they'd also develop more stuff on their own to sell to China.

You really think the feds are going to go through all that work to make some anti sematic protest with the help of local police so they don't get caught for...reasons?

lol lol lol

bro its like scientology. the money is up top and the rest are just stupid footsoldiers. like it is in any war btw, by proxy or not.

but there are exceptions, osama was a billionaire and he was seriously pissed off at something. maybe you guys can enlighten us why he was?

I've seen them wear khakis for as long as I've been an adult. Not sure why you're finding it odd. I also don't think they find rallies and protests to be their thing - more of just bitching back and forth on stormfront, or occasionally a throw away account in this thread.

bro are you taking any drugs when posting? asking for a friend.

The feds are in the group (and every other group they consider radical) undercover encouraging people to plan and do violent acts so they can make a big bust for serious charges. They don't want their cover blown if the only charge they can make stick is holding a parade without a permit.

Elon et al are still idiots. In that group of 150 people there are a few cops of some flavor. Most of them are just run of the mill Christian Supremacists.

He doesn't really believe that, he's just posting in transparent bad faith.

"construction in Gaza is strictly controlled by Israel."

Also

"Hamas just built a tunnel system twice the size of the London Subway"

Both of these cannot be true

I'm pretty sure he said Israel built the tunnels before they left in 05

My theory is that video shows absolutely nothing identifiable as a person or an attack, any more than a grainy 1977 video of a Space Invaders video game would be considered evidence of an alien attack.

Israel blockades almost all building materials.

anyway, in todays daily Hannibal. we love our Hannibal dont we folks.

thats one way to prevent hostages!