I do. You would have supported the Nazi-Soviet Pact, as all Western Communists and fellow-travellers did, and claimed that Hitler was a nice and much misunderstood guy and the real danger came from the warmongers of Britain and France. You would then have abruptly changed your views on 22 June 1941 and claimed that you never held your previous pro-Hitler views at all.

I would have said blowing up the hospital is a bad move.

What type is that?

Also and fwiw, you're just the sort of conformist who would be a Nazi as opposed to Victor.

Most people would be Nazis. Not this guy, but he's exceptional.

The United States allowed the taliban to exit to pakistan where they were safe for the entire war. If the united states wanted to defeat the taliban they should have gone after them in pakistan. they chose not and lost the war.

Replacing words is dumb and I don't think it has ever made for a good argument.

You think the Taliban in 2001 was the same people in 2023?

USA crushed the Taliban in hours in 2001. They returned because the government(s) that replaced them were a bunch of small leaders who exploited the US to maintain control over their fiefdoms. The US for it's part was so motivated to simply producing numbers of "terrorists" killed or captured, that it would happily do the dirty work of their chosen groups. This made life in Afghanistan, especially outside of Kabul, extremely dangerous and unpredictable for most people. Many people chose the Taliban because they preferred knowing what will and will not get you murdered, even if it is more oppressive, to the uncertainty.

The Taliban did not retake Afghanistan from the outside.

Would you extend that to 'if X then hamas would not have invaded so those who support X are morally culpable'?

I disagree with the whole line but if you take that view then it doesn't terminate wherever we fancy.

No doubt about it

Israel will do a short ceasefire as long as they get a list of living hostages andc the scattered release discussed but they will not do a permanent one

https://jewishjournal.com/commentary...mbBMdJhaGIkisg

oh the horror

Supremacists ofc would be upset at such talk. the Palestinian needs to understand his station in life.

just the worst people on the planet.

Israel sees this women begging for her life in her house and is like, oh sweet we can nail her now. and they did with the rest of her family.

and the Zionists and liberals cheered.

Come on, that's a bit much even for you.

Not great optics for people denying Israel doesn't have the goal of taking more land.
Most likely just Israel doing some extra dick swinging to embarrass Hamas more but doesn't seem overly productive.

Interesting dynamics here. In Afghanistan the US was slightly handicapped because special agencies were working with the taliban behind closed doors


In this conflict Israel dgaf and is just killing everyone.

I never realized the govt agencies kept us safe that way; they reduce blowback and keep the taliban happy for when we need them against China or Russia next

With the firepower they have dropped they probably could have killed 1 million people. Instead the number is probably closer to 10,000. They are actually being insanely careful not to kill people given the number of bombs they have dropped.

Of course you could argue they shouldn't be dropping bombs at all (which means I guess you feel they should just give Hamas the W and lick their wounds and go home and wait for the next Hamas raid), but there is absolutely no rationale way to argue they DGAF and are just killing everyone.

In a war, planting your flag on enemy territory you captured is the most common thing ever.



In addition to the casualties on 10/7, Israel is losing soldiers every day too. Small stuff like this is probably important for resolve and morale. Anyone who is going to be outraged by this already made up their mind about Israel a long time ago.

Israeli intelligence minister Gila Gamliel is preparing public opinion for expulsion of Gazans.

In The Jerusalem Post Sunday he wrote:

This is a government official, not a kooky Knesset member.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-773713#773713

What is the alternative? Fight to the death like the Palestinian's overwhelmingly want to do?

The Palestinians dont want a 2 state solution. They dont want a one state solution. They want to kill Jews until all the Jews are dead or they cant fight anymore. They promise unlimited 10/7 massacres of Jews until the conflict is resolved one way or another.

So given this reality what alternative is there? Like I said, you really need to upgrade your software. You seem stuck in a 1948 or 1967 mindset. It is 2023. The Palestinians are 100% radicalized, and Israeli's are getting closer and closer to this mindset every passing day.

I dont think thats a good argument as for why something is ethical or not. and sry , I was exaggerating

I am not saying they are acting ethically. I dont think you can actually act ethically by the standards the modern Western World has set for itself and actually win a war, which is why western world doesn't really win wars anymore.

It is interesting how Hamas has basically unlocked a cheat code against the West, by exploiting modern Western ethics.

The modern West has decided (for probably the first time in the history of warfare) that minimizing casualties of the enemy is an ethical priority. Hamas realizes this, so as long as Hamas can create conditions where they cannot be attacked without heavy casualties on their own civilian populations (with compliant media to highlight this), then they can always seize the ethical high ground and win the propaganda war, which against liberal, democratic nations is how you defeat them. You create conditions where their populaces vote to give up and let you win.

Note, this strategy would not work at all against nations like China, Russia or other Muslim nations, because none of these nations (the leaders or the people) care about the casualty numbers of their enemies. It is estimated up to 900,000 Syrians have died in the ongoing civil war, and everyone involved on both sides sleeps like a baby every night because they literally dont care. So this strategy would be completely useless against Assad.

Like I said, by any actual rationale measure comparing the amount of firepower deployed to casualty numbers, Israel is being insanely careful and restrained. But because Hamas is so embedded in the civilian population it still doesn't meet Western ethical standards, which are pretty much impossible to meet and actually win wars, which is why we dont really win wars anymore.

So here we are.

As an interesting aside, the US was actually much more ruthless against ISIS than Israel has been against the Palestinians, and won. One of the few instances where a Western nation actually decided to do what it takes to win, inflicting heavy casualties on the enemy in the process. But due to technological limitations of the time, a lack of civilians to use as shields, and the lack of Jews to rally the antisemitic Muslim world and Western far left, ISIS was never able to win the propaganda war like the North Vietnamese and Palestinians were able to (to give 2 examples).

So is rape, but the Israeli's seem to have cleared that rather low bar so far.

You think it's an existential war between all Muslims and everyone else, so you think all billion Muslims should be killed, right?