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Today , 09:22 AM

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Begin, a Nobel Laureate and ex PM of Israel, was part of a Militant group for 5 years and he has written in The Revolt — “we were not a terrorist group”. Fighting for a cause and taking on the mighty British empire got him branded as a terrorist.

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Today , 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mongidig

Real hospitals, bakeries and mosques, aid workers and children working on behalf of terrorists whether they liked it or not.

Imposing collective punishment, or in other words breaching international humanitarian law is justified is it?

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Today , 09:24 AM

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Absolutely knee-slapping hilarious how you continuously throw out baseless racist trope claiming that Hamas wants the eradication of Israel

the stated long term goal of hamas is the eradication of israel and the extermination and/or forced deportation of its jewish inhabitants

i do not know if this policy has been updated since all their leaders died, but if so, i'm yet to hear about it

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Today , 09:41 AM

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Im pretty sure blowing up hotels full of civilians for political purposes is definitionally terrorism.

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Today , 09:44 AM

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Im pretty sure blowing up hotels full of civilians for political purposes is definitionally terrorism.

Whether that's true or not, making up quotes about the leader to spread false propoganda must work, since I guy in this thread still believes Begin said that 80 years later when he never said anything of the sort

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Today , 09:44 AM

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actually, now that I think about it, I was wrong. its ok when white people blow up hotels. so that just makes Begin a standard colonial supremacist mass murderer.

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Today , 10:00 AM

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gotwoot

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Don’t worry there are endless generations of resistance fighters to follow; I’m sure they’ll make their intent clear.

More importantly, nothing justifies war crimes including whataboutism.

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Today , 10:34 AM

#41733

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Im pretty sure blowing up hotels full of civilians for political purposes is definitionally terrorism.

This was to be a military target. The bomb wasn't supposed to go off with people in it. Begin was not happy about this.

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Today , 10:35 AM

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like I said, its ok when white people do it (well not Irish I guess)

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Today , 10:36 AM

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Don’t worry there are endless generations of resistance fighters to follow; I’m sure they’ll make their intent clear.

More importantly, nothing justifies war crimes including whataboutism.

Do you think these "resistance fighters"/terrorists have made the lives of Gazans better or worse?

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Today , 10:37 AM

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like I said, its ok when white people do it (well not Irish I guess)

What's not ok is targeting innocent civilians like Hamas did on Oct 7th.

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Today , 10:41 AM

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Killing innocent "relatives" of terrorists is a war crime.

What evidence do you have that they were related anyway? None I guess, but a shared last name is enough for you.

Just admit you're lying again and move on imo.

Do you think the Hamas attack on Oct 7th was a war crime?

I keep hearing about all the bad things Israel does and yet none of the anti Israel crowd want to talk about how bad Hamas is.

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Today , 10:47 AM

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like I said, its ok when white people do it (well not Irish I guess)

What do you think the Gazans should do moving forward. Continue to fight and die and make their living conditions worse or try something new?

Imagine if they would have just taken the deal back in 48. Imagine fighting for 80 years and getting absolutely nowhere. In fact, their lives have progressively gotten worse and worse. Meanwhile their enemy who they vowed to wipe out has become stronger.

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Today , 10:54 AM

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My empathy for the Palestinian cause has been alive and thriving longer than Hamas has existed.

Absolutely knee-slapping hilarious how you continuously throw out baseless racist trope claiming that Hamas wants the eradication of Israel and then turn around and call for the eradication of Palestinians.

I prefer to listen to people like Illan Pappe or Noam Chomsky, both of whom are Jewish and have been calling for the Palestinian cause for decades by the way, rather than a troll who literally proves that every accusation is a confession.

how is it racist to disagree with Hamas (and any other similar group in the present or the past) in any way lol?

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Today , 10:55 AM

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There was no deal to be taken mongo. Israel planned to drive them out for years in advance. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Dalet

I think that history shows that you can never make deals with oppressor Supremacist Western nations bc they will always break them. So it's the Palestinian people's decision to either fight or accept enslavement.

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Today , 10:56 AM

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Innocent relatives? the relative worked for Gaza now, a front for Hamas. A media group that in 2022 exalted acts of terrors against Israelis (the knife attacks).

And the fact he was a relative is irrelevant (i think it is from the wiki i linked to you, but wiki could be wrong), every one working for "Gaza now" deserves death as an active terrorist.

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Today , 10:58 AM

#41742

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Imposing collective punishment, or in other words breaching international humanitarian law is justified is it?

There is no imposing any collective punishment by Israel. Hamas puts civilian palestinians lives in danger and that's the only entity responsible every time any innocent civilian gets injured or killed.

Every single civilian who died has been killing exclusively and uniquely because of Hamas.

Hamas (and all similar group) should all unconditionally surrender, and until they do, it's 100% their fault for anything bad that happen in the area, because Israel has a complete moral right (and imperative) to kill each and every one of those terrorists, and if they live among the population, hide in hospitals and so on, collateral damage is inevitable.

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