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Today , 10:41 AM
source: just me bro
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Today , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
source: just me bro
Iran: Security forces used rape and other sexual violence to crush “Woman Life Freedom” uprising with impunity

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...with-impunity/

--As an aside, it really is a tragedy how the western so-called progressive left has completely abandoned Iranian women opposing the regime for their insane human rights violations; because they view the IRI as fellow travelers in their goal to destroy Western civilization.

It isn't even a giant surprise Victor doesn't know basic realities about IRI human rights violations, as the western press has mainly a "see no evil, hear no evil" policy when it comes to the IRI.

And now that he does know, I have no doubt he will just hand waive away this behavior, be completely indifferent, and still perceive the IRI as "based" because they are trying to destroy Israel and the US.
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Today , 11:10 AM
thats really bad. I dont think that that gives Israel the right to do war and genocide and rape though.
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Today , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by IMBLUEtheONE
The momvemnt to build the wall was birthed by the israeli peace movement, as a response for the fail peace talks. The idea was separation, as peace agreements seemed far away and unattainable.

Throwing buzz words like racism is understood, but lacks basis, as many jewish settlements were left on the "other" side of the wall, and many arab villages were left in. if israel wanted to use the wall as a way to increase jewish supremacy, the landscape of the wall would have ended completely different.

Fear as and is definitely one of the main reasons that the wall is supported by most of the jewish population (minus some settlers and far right and far left groups)
I was talking about the motivation for the wall and its effect, not what people hoped the effect would be. The effect has been less contact between ordinary Israelis and ordinary Palestinians. The alienation has made dehumanization easier. It makes peace harder.
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Today , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I was talking about the motivation for the wall and its effect, not what people hoped the effect would be. The effect has been less contact between ordinary Israelis and ordinary Palestinians. The alienation has made dehumanization easier. It makes peace harder.
Exactly what Hamas intended when it bombed the crossings.
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Today , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
Exactly what Hamas intended when it bombed the crossings.
I don't think Hamas leadership wants peace anymore than Netanyahu does.
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Today , 02:40 PM
weird, bc they keep saying they want peace and agreeing to cease-fire deals.
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Today , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Fear, nationalism, racism. Often stoked by self-serving politicians.

Same thing could have happened in Ireland and walls would have made things worse there.
'Peace walls' are and have long been a thing in Northern Ireland, particularly in Belfast. They're mainly now tourist attractions, covered with decorative murals, which American visitors like to take pictures of and shake their heads at, but they're still there, because people worry about what might happen if they weren't when a riot kicked off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_lines

Of course the difference in Northern Ireland versus the West Bank is that the people on both sides are citizens with full and equal civil rights.

Last edited by 57 On Red; Today at 03:27 PM.
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Today , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
weird, bc they keep saying they want peace and agreeing to cease-fire deals.
That just means they want the Israelis to give them a breather while they rebuild their capability.
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Today , 03:46 PM
convenient
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Today , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I don't think Hamas leadership wants peace anymore than Netanyahu does.
I have a feeling Sinwar's plan is to hold out as long as he can and then eventually off himself in an underground bunker Hitler-style.
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