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Today , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
Don’t get heated, Rafiki. I’m on it, friend.

Just as Mets was not allowed to say all Palestinians hate women, it’s also not allowed to say all Israelis are racist.

So let’s be very careful with our specifications and use precise language, or I’m going to have to take you at what you post and moderate it.

You got this, guys
I think he was saying people in the Israeli govt who support the killing of kids because they could be Hamas, are racist
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Today , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
I think he was saying people in the Israeli govt who support the killing of kids because they could be Hamas, are racist
I believe that to be true as well, but the language needs to be more precise. There were too many very negative and possibly bigoted interpretations of that post. So just a warning is all, friends
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Today , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Who is "they"?
israel. everyone in this video, for a start:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xz3TA4uuQg


about the entire country, seeing as how this genocide seems to have 90-95% support or whatever, feel free to tell us what the latest polling says though
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Today , 01:16 PM
Which genocide? There is no genocide ongoing in the area (even if terrorists attempted that)
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Today , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
Donít get heated, Rafiki. Iím on it, friend.

Just as Mets was not allowed to say all Palestinians hate women, itís also not allowed to say all Israelis are racist.

So letís be very careful with our specifications and use precise language, or Iím going to have to take you at what you post and moderate it.

You got this, guys
Is it allowed to say someone claiming his own citizens are worth more than foreigner a racist? Even if it's foreigner of the same race as many citizens?

Like take Korea where race is literally non controversially the same in the north and the south.

How could it be racism for a soutk Korean if he cared more about his fellow citizens than his enemies on the north? And viceversa ofc
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Today , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
no, they give palestinian deaths zero value. they say that there are no civilians in gaza. they say that they are all hamas terrorists, even the women and children. they are trying to kill them all.

and yes, they are psychotic, racist pieces of ****.
Well I don't disagree but I was trying to be generous to the Israeli government and IDF.
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Today , 01:21 PM
If Palestinian lives had ZERO value for Israel why is ANY aid allowed in, why didn't they starve them all to death, that would solve problems in Gaza
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Today , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
If Palestinian lives had ZERO value for Israel why is ANY aid allowed in, why didn't they starve them all to death, that would solve problems in Gaza
International community would find that a step too far (slow genocide is acceptable though clearly).
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Today , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
If Palestinian lives had ZERO value for Israel why is ANY aid allowed in, why didn't they starve them all to death, that would solve problems in Gaza
Public relations. Why does it matter if you torture someone and kill them or just kill them?

Itís because torturing is wrong and people will be even more mad if they kill Palestinians so inhumanely
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Today , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
International community would find that a step too far (slow genocide is acceptable though clearly).
No, that wouldn't be acceptable. If you mean the use of starvation as a weapon, that's a crime and the Israelis have been warned about it. The ICC's Pre-Trial Chamber I, which ruled in February 2021 that the Court does have jurisdiction over Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem, is considering the prosecutor's application for arrest warrants against Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant, as well as against Yahya Sinwar, Mohammed Diab Ibrahim Al-Masri and Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas, for war crimes and crimes against humanity since last October.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/palestine
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Today , 02:09 PM
They are already accused of withholding aid and starve Palestinians (absurd because they aren't).

That's why if they actually gave 0 value to Palestinian lives they would actually cut all aid forever and solve Gaza in 2-3 months.
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Today , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
I don't have the first idea of what you're talking about in relation to what we were talking about.

But in terms of what we were talking about with other posters, life got hard for the Jews in Arab countries in the 30's. Right around the rise of the Nazis is when things go south. So a fair bit before Israel's war of independence. In Iraq in the 30's it looked a lot like it did for Jews in Germany in the early 30's for example. You had horrifically violent pogroms of Jews in Arab countries even late 30's early 40's.
Worth considering what was actually happening in Palestine at the time, with an Arab agricultural recession and a wave of new Jewish immigration, doubling the Jewish population to 370,000 in 1931-6 (and the European Jewish immigrants tended to have more money and heft than the Arabs), which triggered the Palestinian Arab revolt of 1936-9. Since it was known that Zionism aimed at Jewish 'supremacy' in Palestine, as Herzl put it, this is what the Arab states and the Palestinian Arabs were reacting to. They were hardly going to approve such a prospectus and it was obviously bound to enrage them and, in the case of the Palestinians, to cause them a fear of dispossession and annihilation in their own lands. The main reason why Edwin Montagu, sole Jewish member of the British Cabinet in 1917, objected to the Balfour Declaration was that it would lead to a resurgence of anti-semitism around the world, and it duly did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E...t_in_Palestine
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Today , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
They are already accused of withholding aid and starve Palestinians (absurd because they aren't).
That's a matter for the court.

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That's why if they actually gave 0 value to Palestinian lives they would actually cut all aid forever and solve Gaza in 2-3 months.
They can't 'solve Gaza' because they can't afford the necessary troop commitment, they can't get rid of Hamas and they wouldn't know what to do next even if they did. And if they 'cut all aid forever' the responsible cabinet members would certainly face international arrest warrants.
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Today , 03:13 PM
It is a matter of fact that Israel is letting far less aid in than is necessary to keep Gaza’s civilians from starving.

Hamas shooting rockets at crossings to make aid even harder to deliver doesn’t help but if Israel wanted to let more food through, they could.
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Today , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
That's a matter for the court.



They can't 'solve Gaza' because they can't afford the necessary troop commitment, they can't get rid of Hamas and they wouldn't know what to do next even if they did. And if they 'cut all aid forever' the responsible cabinet members would certainly face international arrest warrants.
Nobody thinks they could solve it this time around. But they can restore deterrence and buy time, and possibly space for dialogue
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Today , 03:43 PM
Gs3737, low content posting and personal attacks are not allowed in the thread. I’ve deleted your last post. Please take a time out from the thread until 12:00 AM Eastern Time.

Please address topics and content, friends.
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Today , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
The Israel government doesn't ignore Palestinian deaths either; it just gives them one tenth (or less) the value of an Israeli death.

And yes, that does make them and anyone who agrees with them racist.
That is ridiculous. The US should value American lives over Canadian ones. Does that mean it's racism?
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Today , 03:46 PM
More responsibility for. Same value
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