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05-15-2024 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
I havenít seen anything to suggest Hamas could wipe out Israel.
Neither have i. But what military from the blowback you mentioned was the big threat?
05-15-2024 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
a quick google search did not find the Reuters article. again, we are not supposed to guess at intent of posters.
I could perhaps help you learn how to use Google over a video meeting? There's some time in my schedule.

I feel it could lead to smoother conversation then.
05-15-2024 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Encyclopedias aren't deep into a subject, but sure as hell deeper than dictionaries.



Einstein wasn't just making up some unheard of position. This was a common position among Zionists and one that wasn't ignored before the "coup".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biltmore_Conference



Of course this post will be ignored by mets. Maybe someone else will read it.
I dont think you can unring that bell.
05-15-2024 , 12:11 PM
Btw just so we don't get into a quality of source battle, this is something that has been a forever thing.

UNWRA has had the balls before to actually call it out:

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press...ne-its-schools

UNRWA CONDEMNS PLACEMENT OF ROCKETS, FOR A SECOND TIME, IN ONE OF ITS SCHOOLS
05-15-2024 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
I could perhaps help you learn how to use Google over a video meeting? There's some time in my schedule.

I feel it could lead to smoother conversation then.
no I dont let Zionists into my personal life. just like I dont let Nazis in.
05-15-2024 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
no I dont let Zionists into my personal life. just like I dont let Nazis in.
I believe this is exactly the sort of posts we're trying to stop in this thread Victor. The whole Jew = a Nazi thing isn't going to get us anywhere.
05-15-2024 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
Neither have i. But what military from the blowback you mentioned was the big threat?
The blowback comes from other groups that want to get combat time and support the Palestinians sides cause.

People will come to the aid of Palestine. Especially if they feel it is their religious duty. And especially if the only way they die is if allah wills it
05-15-2024 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
The blowback comes from other groups that want to get combat time and support the opposite sides cause.

People will come to the aid of Palestine. Especially if they feel it is their religious duty. And especially if the only way they die is if allah wills it
It has been a surprise to many that this largely hasn't happened to the extent it could have.
05-15-2024 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
I believe this is exactly the sort of posts we're trying to stop in this thread Victor. The whole Jew = a Nazi thing isn't going to get us anywhere.
I didnt say that tho. ofc I cant speculate on why you would say something so erroneous.
05-15-2024 , 12:22 PM
Rafiki and Victor, you are on the path toward timeouts. Please chill and stop talking about each other.

We are also going to dial back the Nazi comparisons please. Seriously, just dial it back a bit. Thanks guys
05-15-2024 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
I believe this is exactly the sort of posts we're trying to stop in this thread Victor. The whole Jew = a Nazi thing isn't going to get us anywhere.
Itís the Zionism is justification for genocide argument for me

Vic doesnít like genociders. Whatís wrong with that?

The pre European American people were almost wiped out by European genociders. I donít think thereís an issue with Vic not liking them either
05-15-2024 , 12:23 PM
Btw when these things get investigated by a third party, typically this is how it goes. But someone has to look:

https://unwatch.org/un-admits-palest...unrwa-schools/

UN admits Palestinians fired rockets from UNRWA schools
The UN finally investigated the Palestinian storing of rockets in UNRWA schools and their use of the schools to launch rockets against Israel, all of which constitute grave violations of the Geneva Conventions and international humanitarian law.
05-15-2024 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
Rafiki and Victor, you are on the path toward timeouts. Please chill and stop talking about each other.

We are also going to dial back the Nazi comparisons please. Seriously, just dial it back a bit. Thanks guys
Which was the post for me that crossed so I don't do that again? I've gone to great lengths to be very civil and obey the new rules.

I'll point out that my restraint has been admirable in the face of what's been coming the other way no less.
05-15-2024 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
It’s the Zionism is justification for genocide argument for me

Vic doesn’t like genociders. What’s wrong with that?


The pre European American people were almost wiped out by European genociders. I don’t think there’s an issue with Vic not liking them either
I believe this is also the sort of stuff we are no longer supposed to do. You seem to be allowed to presently. But I'm not entirely sure why.
05-15-2024 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
I could perhaps help you learn how to use Google over a video meeting? There's some time in my schedule.

I feel it could lead to smoother conversation then.
@Rafiki

This one. Don’t start issues like this please. It devolves into sarcastic back and forths with no content.

You’re doing great otherwise, friend, and I appreciate you
05-15-2024 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
Rafiki and Victor, you are on the path toward timeouts. Please chill and stop talking about each other.

We are also going to dial back the Nazi comparisons please. Seriously, just dial it back a bit. Thanks guys
look at who started it
05-15-2024 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
I mean what's the point? The IDF released drone footage, and also battled Hamas fighters in an UNWRA building.

Reuters and company have run the stories (the school, the marked UN vehicles, etc).

Anything I post you'll say "can't trust the IDF"

So frankly I have no interest in doing this loop with you that we always do. I'll let the others discuss it.
also this one surely
05-15-2024 , 12:28 PM
It’s racist to call one thing a genocide (holocaust) and not another thing a genocide (nakba/gaza)


We aren’t allowed to be racist. Gotta follow the rules you know
05-15-2024 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
I believe this is also the sort of stuff we are no longer supposed to do. You seem to be allowed to presently. But I'm not entirely sure why.
He can stop too please.

ALL of you, stop hitting your brothers or you’re getting timeouts
05-15-2024 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
@Rafiki

This one. Donít start issues like this please. It devolves into sarcastic back and forths with no content.

Youíre doing great otherwise, friend, and I appreciate you
To be clear though, that was a sincere offer. If I can't post links because they're all fake, and he can't find them otherwise, we need to find another way.

I really didn't mind doing a video meeting with him to arrive at a compromise.
05-15-2024 , 12:32 PM
Ok, I believe you. Let’s get back to posts about the conflict. Thanks, friends!
05-15-2024 , 12:33 PM
haha THIS might be the conflict, the way things are going.
05-15-2024 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Gross and completely disgusting.

"but not genocide" my arse
I'm not sure that trying to turn Gaza into Palm Beach is the same thing as genocide.
05-15-2024 , 02:25 PM
Palm Beach for us; mortuaries for you (if you're lucky).
05-15-2024 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
Rafiki and Victor, you are on the path toward timeouts. Please chill and stop talking about each other.

We are also going to dial back the Nazi comparisons please. Seriously, just dial it back a bit. Thanks guys
Thanks and I was actually considering pmng you regarding this specific issue.

Some Jewish organisations such as The WJC & ADL regard such comparisons as anti Semitic and diminishing/trivialising the Holocaust.
https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...is-antisemitic

You made a valid point earlier on refraining from calling people anti Semites but being welcome to label a post as such ,with argument to back up the labeling.
If Nazi comparisons are regarded by sections of the Jewish community as an anti Semitic trope, then aren't posts which make such comparisons anti Semitic by default? Even if it's not the intention? Israel didn't have a Wansee conference or a death camp like Sobibor or Auschwitz or Treblinka. Israeli doctors never conducted Mengele like experiments on Palestinians, or made Palestinians were yellow crescents.
Such comparisons certainly trivialise the Holocaust.

Victor has to know that such a comparison is offensive to many people and particularly some of the Jewish posters itt. Even if anti Semitism isn't his intention he has to be aware it shows a callous indifference to the feelings of some of the Jewish posters itt. At best it's a rage bait bad faith argument and no good is going to come of it.

We can all agree that this is a very emotive hot button topic. So far I've been quite impressed with your modding of such a topic and you come across as fair and thoughtful.
So I would respectfully ask that you consider forbidding Nazi comparisons the way calling others anti Semites at the drop of a hat by rote is also a bad faith argument ultimately, from which nothing good will come of.
I'll respect your decision either way, but again ask that you consider it.
Cheers.

      
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