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05-13-2024 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
PW, I'm not here to moderate whether a poster is racist- I'm here to moderate whether they make racist posts. Hamas being designated a terrorist organization is a mainstream idea. If you want to argue why that designation is racist from a societal point of view, you are free to do so, as well as argue that the Israeli government has also earned that designation. But I will not be moderating thought crimes.

This thread isn't meant to debate the character of other posters; its to debate the current events and how they affect our world.

If you have questions, such as the ones you've been posting here in the thread, I will try to answer them to the best of my ability, but I'd like to ask you again to please utilize private messages so as not to derail this thread. Thank you.
right, calling one side terrorists and not the other means the posts he makes are racist.

nobody is forcing him to call palestinians terrorits (edit said racist). It doesnt matter if half the world thinks hes right, he can still be racist.

I wasnt saying he is racist or he isnt, I was calling his posts racist which you specifically said would not be allowed.
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05-13-2024 , 12:48 PM
Alright, I have work to do and might be gone for a while. Please, someone keep track of all that is produced in the upcoming productive discussion and report on that later. Maybe someone should make a todo list of things we hope to produce and we could set something up on Asana or Jira (ugh) to track all the productivity.
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05-13-2024 , 12:48 PM
PW, I realize its going to take some time to adjust, and if you need anything else I am here to help
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05-13-2024 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Btw can I just say that this thread is a fascinating representation of the conflict.

If you remove the ability of people to label pro-Israel people as "genocide lovers" or "baby killers", and the conversation has to steer/stick to facts and civility, the dialogue changes very fast. That's been my experience in all places I've had these discussions. And let's recognize the same of our Goosie buddy who was going overboard in the other direction.

I do think we'll end up with some of our more productive discussions now, because a big chunk of the outcomes of these has just been removed. We can't just immediately hurl the insults. And thank goodness for that.
easy

do you think innocent people killed is a good measure of how awful something is
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05-13-2024 , 12:51 PM
Crossnerd,

I hope you have some kind of script to make these posts. Otherwise you're going to burn out very fast.

Look at me, sympathizing with my oppressors/mods. Smh.
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05-13-2024 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
PW, I realize its going to take some time to adjust, and if you need anything else I am here to help
I dont think you understand the rules that you put forth. Its possible you dont understand racism that well which is why I asked. I am hopefully you will do some learning and perhaps in the future you will be able to better appreciate the rules you said you will be enforcing.
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05-13-2024 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Crossnerd,

I hope you have some kind of script to make these posts. Otherwise you're going to burn out very fast.

Look at me, sympathizing with my oppressors/mods. Smh.
Aw, there's my buddy.

We're just setting expectations early so hopefully the thread requires less supervision in the future.
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05-13-2024 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Crossnerd,

I hope you have some kind of script to make these posts. Otherwise you're going to burn out very fast.

Look at me, sympathizing with my oppressors/mods. Smh.
Classic Stockholm syndrome.
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05-13-2024 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
right, calling one side terrorists and not the other means the posts he makes are racist.

nobody is forcing him to call palestinians racist. It doesnt matter if half the world thinks hes right, he can still be racist.

I wasnt saying he is racist or he isnt, I was calling his posts racist which you specifically said would not be allowed.
I am just calling internationally recognized terrorists, terrorists. I think this is just one we chalk up as the customs and parlance of our times.

I definitely won't make broad sweeping characterizations of Gazans at all. And I think this is where we want to be with this thread (ditto of Israelis fwiw, as we've seen in here before).

And btw I don't even think all the terrorists are bad dudes. Some were definitely brainwashed (as kids) or worse. I think the ones among them who raped women or kidnapped babies (according to the UN) are probably the really bad guys. But I bet a lot of them are just there because it pays, or some other circumstance. And btw I bet there are bad dudes in the IDF too.
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05-13-2024 , 12:56 PM
With destruction of 2/3 housing stock, all the schools, all the universities, all the civic buildings, all the hospitals, we don't need exact numbers to know it's a willful massacre of civilians by the most moral army in the world.
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05-13-2024 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
I dont think you understand the rules that you put forth. Its possible you dont understand racism that well which is why I asked. I am hopefully you will do some learning and perhaps in the future you will be able to better appreciate the rules you said you will be enforcing.
If you want to PM me with more of your thoughts, I will consider your arguments.
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05-13-2024 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
I dont think you understand the rules that you put forth. Its possible you dont understand racism that well which is why I asked. I am hopefully you will do some learning and perhaps in the future you will be able to better appreciate the rules you said you will be enforcing.
I was thinking he understands racism pretty well actually. At least so far. And to do so without pay is the most impressive part. He volunteers for this.
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05-13-2024 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
I am just calling internationally recognized terrorists, terrorists. I think this is just one we chalk up as the customs and parlance of our times.

I definitely won't make broad sweeping characterizations of Gazans at all. And I think this is where we want to be with this thread (ditto of Israelis fwiw, as we've seen in here before).

And btw I don't even think all the terrorists are bad dudes. Some were definitely brainwashed (as kids) or worse. I think the ones among them who raped women or kidnapped babies (according to the UN) are probably the really bad guys. But I bet a lot of them are just there because it pays, or some other circumstance. And btw I bet there are bad dudes in the IDF too.
like I said, youre using racist terms and youre saying its ok cause other people do it. Terrorism is a made up term that the people in power use to prevent the people without power from resisting.

You never call israel terrorists (cite?) yet you know they kill 10x the amount of innocent people that palestine ever has or will

why is that? why dont you also call Israel terrorists? they are internationally recognized as a terrorist ethno state engaging in genocide against an indigenous nation.
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05-13-2024 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
like I said, youre using racist terms and youre saying its ok cause other people do it. Terrorism is a made up term that the people in power use to prevent the people without power from resisting.

You never call israel terrorists (cite?) yet you know they kill 10x the amount of innocent people that palestine ever has or will

why is that? why dont you also call Israel terrorists? they are internationally recognized as a terrorist ethno state engaging in genocide against an indigenous nation.
Israel is a member state of the UN. To my knowledge no member state of the UN is a "terrorist organization". It would be quite difficult for a whole country to be a terrorist organization.

It is however not that difficult for a few thousand terrorists, to be terrorists. And that's what Hamas is. There were 30k of them, now we figure half that. Again this isn't Gaza. This is Hamas. Israel will have free and fair elections soon for their next government. Hamas will influence/run Gaza (by force) until they are removed.

Btw Hamas are not a race. They are tiny minority of Gazans, who wage armed conflict. The Palestinians as a race (all over the world), I have absolutely no comment on.
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05-13-2024 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Israel is a member state of the UN. To my knowledge no member state of the UN is a "terrorist organization". It would be quite difficult for a whole country to be a terrorist organization.

It is however not that difficult for a few thousand terrorists, to be terrorists. And that's what Hamas is. There were 30k of them, now we figure half that. Again this isn't Gaza. This is Hamas. Israel will have free and fair elections soon for their next government. Hamas will run Gaza until they are removed.
Or double it. We'll see.
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05-13-2024 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Or double it. We'll see.
Until the UN halves it again
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05-13-2024 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Until the UN halves it again
I think you understood my point, but not sure.
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05-13-2024 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I think you understood my point, but not sure.
I think you understood mine
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05-13-2024 , 01:17 PM
Just in case, I'll be explicit. There may well be more Hamas militants now, or in the near future, than there were on Oct 6th. Hamas' position in the WB may be much stronger and also the Muslim Brotherhood's position in Egypt.
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05-13-2024 , 01:18 PM
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I was thinking he understands racism pretty well actually. At least so far. And to do so without pay is the most impressive part. He volunteers for this.
Is this about me? I'm a she, a her, but you can call me Mother
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05-13-2024 , 01:18 PM
Israel could get expelled SOON
due to it violating Geneva Conventions.

For unplugging babies from incubators.

Not UN worthy at all. Ban them.

Last edited by washoe; 05-13-2024 at 01:31 PM.
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05-13-2024 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Just in case, I'll be explicit. There may well be more Hamas militants now, or in the near future, than there were on Oct 6th. Hamas' position in the WB may be much stronger and also the Muslim Brotherhood's position in Egypt.
lol yes I got that
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05-13-2024 , 01:25 PM
Where is the problem with separating babies and women from men of military age??? Does anyone get that? They could bomb men all they want but not women and babies.

Ukraine could do it. Every idiot could do it. But not Israel.

Send Women to the north or whereevr and then not bomb them. Easy
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05-13-2024 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Where is the problem with separating babies and women from men of military age??? Does anyone get that? They could bomb men all they want but not women and babies.

Ukraine could do it. Every idiot could do it. But not Israel.

Send Women to the north or whereevr and then not bomb them. Easy

It's because gender isn't real.
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05-13-2024 , 01:34 PM
Ok what about children and Infants?

Last edited by washoe; 05-13-2024 at 01:42 PM.
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