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10-29-2024 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DoyleBrunsonFan
That’s not what I asked. No one is forced to engage you in here, in fact, many have put you on ignore. I’m sure you think it’s because they can’t handle the truths you’re revealing, but in reality, you make it impossible to have a conversation.

The writer claims Israel’s intent is to kill civilians, among other ridiculous things. While I’m sure you agree with this, it doesn’t make it an unbiased source. Well written doesn’t absolve gross biases.
I never said he was an unbiased source.
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10-29-2024 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Hot Take: it's actually not okay to bomb an apartment complex even if you give the residents a few hours notice to pick up their stuff and run.
It is if the apartment complex is being used as a military outpost
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10-29-2024 , 04:54 PM
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US state department spokesperson Matthew Miller told reporters:

We are deeply concerned by the loss of civilian life in this incident. This was a horrifying incident with a horrifying result.

He said he could not speak to the total death toll, but noted:

There are reports of two dozen children killed in this incident. No doubt a number of them are children who have been fleeing the effects of this war for more than a year now.

US officials have reached out to Israel’s government “to ask what happened here”, he added.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...amas-hezbollah
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10-29-2024 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw
It is if the apartment complex is being used as a military outpost
International law very strongly disagrees with your assessment, but the world has long since stopped holding Israel accountable to any kind of moral standard.
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10-29-2024 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
International law very strongly disagrees with your assessment, but the world has long since stopped holding Israel accountable to any kind of moral standard.
Not it doesn’t. You can attack civilian buildings if you attempt to minimize civilian casualties and there is a military objective. Just look at the amnesty international article that Victor posted.

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10-29-2024 , 06:27 PM
jfc just take a step back and listen to yourself.
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10-29-2024 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
jfc just take a step back and listen to yourself.
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Under international law, Hezbollah and other armed groups must, to the extent feasible, avoid locating military objectives, including fighters, ammunition, weapons, and military infrastructure, in or near densely populated areas. However, the presence of military objectives in populated areas does not absolve Israeli forces of their obligations under international humanitarian law to avoid indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks as well as to take all feasible precautions to spare all civilians, including civilians who fail to leave the area after an evacuation warning. Failure to provide effective advance warnings of attacks which may affect civilians, unless circumstances do not permit, and not taking all other feasible precautions to protect civilians, constitute violations of international humanitarian law.
To summarize: you can attack military targets in civilian or densely populated areas, but you have to minimize civilian casualties as much as possible.

Don’t take it from me, take it from amnesty international.
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10-29-2024 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
UNWRA was severely infected with terrorist ties. Israel is simply replacing them with a group that does not have ties to terrorism.
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10-30-2024 , 12:58 PM
When an entire town is flattened, the IDF isn't going after Hezbollah. They are preparing permanent occupation, minus the Lebanese civilians.

A New York Times article documents that 1,085 buildings have been destroyed in Lebanon. Many of them were flattened by controlled demolitions -- meaning there was not a battle going on:

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Videos posted to social media by the Israeli military and individual soldiers, and verified by The Times, show that at least 200 of the buildings were blown up in controlled demolitions, in which soldiers place and then remotely detonate explosives. Controlled demolitions were seen in five of the six towns: Blida, Kafr Kila, Mhaibib, Ramyah and Aita al Shaab.
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10-30-2024 , 01:15 PM
You can see in the videos when the village has an extensive tunnel network. You can also see when they don't and I have no idea why those are being leveled, but for the ones with the tunnels the reason is pretty clear.

Last edited by Bluegrassplayer; 10-30-2024 at 01:25 PM.
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10-30-2024 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
You can also see when they don't and I have no idea why those are being leveled
It's because the IDF is inflicting as much human misery on Arabs as they can get away with.
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10-30-2024 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw
To summarize: you can attack military targets in civilian or densely populated areas, but you have to minimize civilian casualties as much as possible.

Don’t take it from me, take it from amnesty international.
It is, or may be, a war crime to locate military assets in civilian areas, which of course Hamas and Hezbollah always do in order to complicate things for the Israelis. In those circumstances, those areas may be liable to attack. As to whether the Israelis really seek to minimise civilian casualties... that's a bit doubtful.
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10-30-2024 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
It is, or may be, a war crime to locate military assets in civilian areas, which of course Hamas and Hezbollah always do in order to complicate things for the Israelis. In those circumstances, those areas may be liable to attack. As to whether the Israelis really seek to minimise civilian casualties... that's a bit doubtful.
Although there are probably a few exceptions, "rules of war" is basically an oxymoron. 90% of wars should never have been fought. And those that should have been (because there was no question which side was the evil one) should not handcuff the non evil side with rules. Especially rules designed to protect non combatants who are on the evil side and want the righteous ones dead. It would have been fine to torture sane, adult German, citizens who approved of the Holocaust, if that improved the chances the Allies would win. Same with Southern sane, adult citizens, who approved of slavery if that was the only way to increase the North's chances.

On the other hand, if it is not obvious which side is right, or if many children can be expected to die, then, if two countries would nevertheless go to war, the leaders of both countries should be sought out by the rest of the world and assassinated.
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10-30-2024 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Although there are probably a few exceptions, "rules of war" is basically an oxymoron. 90% of wars should never have been fought. And those that should have been (because there was no question which side was the evil one) should not handcuff the non evil side with rules. Especially rules designed to protect non combatants who are on the evil side and want the righteous ones dead. It would have been fine to torture sane, adult German, citizens who approved of the Holocaust, if that improved the chances the Allies would win. Same with Southern sane, adult citizens, who approved of slavery if that was the only way to increase the North's chances.

On the other hand, if it is not obvious which side is right, or if many children can be expected to die, then, if two countries would nevertheless go to war, the leaders of both countries should be sought out by the rest of the world and assassinated.
Normative moral "shoulds" have no role in geopolitics. Especially if the very few entities who could "police the world" toward that ethical outcome, aren't willing to.
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10-30-2024 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
It's because the IDF is inflicting as much human misery on Arabs as they can get away with.
The Israelis are trying to inflict misery on the Arabs while they are working toward rekindling the Abraham acccords with the Arabs? Does that make sense to you?
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10-30-2024 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood
When an entire town is flattened, the IDF isn't going after Hezbollah. They are preparing permanent occupation, minus the Lebanese civilians.

A New York Times article documents that 1,085 buildings have been destroyed in Lebanon. Many of them were flattened by controlled demolitions -- meaning there was not a battle going on:
I'm sure there is a strategic purpose related to the war. I highly doubt they are doing this in preparation of occupation.
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10-30-2024 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
I'm sure there is a strategic purpose related to the war. I highly doubt they are doing this in preparation of occupation.
Well, it depends on how you define occupation. They are definitely creating a buffer zone so Lebanese/Hezbollah anti tank missiles (which Iron Dome cant protect against) cant be fired from Lebanon into Israel towns.

On October 8th when Lebanon/Hezbollah declared war on Israel and opened a second front in the North anti-tank missiles were fired, creating much danger for Israeli civilians, forcing their evacuation. Israel is doing what it can to assure Lebanon/Hezbollah cant do this again. There is also the risk of a October 7th style land invasion into Israel if Hezbollah can restage in towns near the border.

Given Hezbollah has shown their word is nothing, and they absolutely will threaten and attack Israel again if given the chance; the decision is very rationale.
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10-30-2024 , 08:50 PM
Import and enable bigots without liberal values, and you become a nation of bigots without liberal values. Nice touch switching to a foreign language when it was time for gender slurs.

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10-30-2024 , 09:05 PM
told you like a year ago that people would not look kindly on those symbols in public

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10-30-2024 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
told you like a year ago that people would not look kindly on those symbols in public

Yes, and far right Israelis say the same thing. They are quite happy when Jews are hated.
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10-30-2024 , 09:37 PM
in this case, I was speaking to the meta-point. as far as this video specifically, I dont think that guy was being hated on for being Jewish. I would guess that he went to that particular coffee shop hoping this would happen. and the whole video could be staged either way. Brianna Wu is not really a good follow.
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10-30-2024 , 09:41 PM
lol I just actually watched the video. all I can say is lol.
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10-30-2024 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
Import and enable bigots without liberal values, and you become a nation of bigots without liberal values. Nice touch switching to a foreign language when it was time for gender slurs.

Wow. Makes you think. What do you mean by “imported”?
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10-31-2024 , 12:27 AM
In other news, after their Russian made air defense systems repelled the Israeli attack on October 29th, Iran announced they would follow up with a devastating attack on Israel proper; presumably to mop up what little is left of the Israeli Air Force.
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10-31-2024 , 12:31 AM
In other other news, in meetings with US envoys Lebanese officials announced that as part of a (hopefully) upcoming ceasefire they would employ the Lebanese army to enforce Resolution 1701, and keep Hezbollah out of southern Lebanon. They also announced Lebanese air space would no longer be used by the IRI or its Arab proxies to smuggle weapons to Hezbollah.

I am skeptical Lebanese forces will be any more effective than UNIFIL ones, but we shall see.
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