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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
Unfortunately, you will not be able to convince me that Islam is any more patriarchal than Judaism or Christianity with just your big feelings.
There are stats, namely the "women, peace & security" index, that quantify how much countries wage violence toward their women.
Among the best 10 countries (those that are less patriarchal), none is majority muslim, and in all christianity is the most common religion (although in some, it's not the majority, because of high numbers of atheists).
Among the worst 10 countries, 6 are muslim and 4 are christians.
What do we get from that? that both christianity and islam can be very "patriarchal", and very violent toward women, but *exclusively christianity* managed to become compatible with liberal modern values for now, islam didn't.
So , the fact that "trad" christianity can be bad (although never even close to trad islam) for women, is absolutely true, but that doesn't change the fact that modern, liberal islam doesn't exist (no majority islamic country in the history of the world is decent wrt women rights), while many place manages to dilute christianity enough to make it compatible with liberal, modern, pro women values.
The *best* majority muslim country in the index is in 82 place (out of 177), Indonesia, very close to Israel at 80.
https://giwps.georgetown.edu/the-index/
Gut feeling? it's in the measured, objective data.