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It was a very old American helicopter, basically a Huey, and one former Iranian foreign minister has tried blaming the US for its spare-parts embargo on pre-revolutionary US aircraft operated by Iran. Although a catastrophic technical failure is possible, the weather conditions and terrain suggest that the pilot simply flew blind into a mountain in fog. Several observers have pointed out that Iran's ruling elite are extremely stupid, uneducated and over-entitled men (and I do mean men), easily capable of ordering and expecting a pilot to fly in conditions where it really wasn't advisable.

Why didn't the three 'copters take a similar route?

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05-20-2024 , 02:41 PM

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57 On Red

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Why didn't the three 'copters take a similar route?

We don't yet know. Maybe they did, but the other two pilots added more safety height, had a better sense of their position (and therefore of maximum local terrain height), or even had a chance sight of the ground through breaks in the fog. (Fog is simply cloud that's nearer than usual to the ground.) It's even possible that the accident pilot was trying to 'taxi-hover' and go slow in the fog, and the president in the back, with an official ceremony to get to, was becoming impatient and irritable and telling him to get a move on.

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05-20-2024 , 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

Yes I read some high ranking Iranians blaming the USA embargo so I figured they decided to go with the malfunctioning, was asking for confirmation because it's puzzling.

I mean it looks like the perfect event to blame Israel for no matter what actually happened, with a lot of ppl willing to believe Iran word over Israel word on this kind of stuff internationally.

So it must mean Iran doesn't actually want any direct confrontation with Israel? They are content with Israel being bogged down in the Gaza "swamp"?

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05-20-2024 , 03:12 PM

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Most countries still look for the actual cause to blame. Russia and usa are not the norm

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05-20-2024 , 04:11 PM

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Genocidal intentional starvation.

The State Department Says Israel Isn’t Blocking Aid. Videos Show the Opposite.

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05-20-2024 , 04:15 PM

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Will Mets agree with this or say it’s made up?

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05-20-2024 , 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood

Genocidal intentional starvation.

The State Department Says Israel Isn’t Blocking Aid. Videos Show the Opposite.

they just bombed a bunch of truck drivers near the Rafah crossing.

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05-20-2024 , 04:20 PM

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Will Mets agree with this or say it’s made up?

Have you commented on sinwar and do you want him and the other 3 hamas leaders arrested?

Why do you single me out

As usual, you focus on Israel and are you excusing hamas?

You're not denying rape like your idol are you?

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05-20-2024 , 04:21 PM

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You too Bill

You are only focusing on a possible charge against Israel or are you going to post something about most of the report that lists the atrocities of hamas

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05-20-2024 , 04:23 PM

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Biden thinks the charges against bibi are ridiculous by the way

I'm okay letting the courts decide after the war as ive said all along. But id like to hear you guys say you want sinwar and company arrested

Can you do it?

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05-20-2024 , 04:25 PM

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05-20-2024 , 04:27 PM

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Victor

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

seems they havent done anything illegal since armed resistance is allowed under international law. Hamas did say they would be happy to submit to a trial.

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05-20-2024 , 04:27 PM

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Because you are unable to see past your delusions or insecurities. Wanted to see how bad yours were

Who is my idol? Where did I excuse Hamas?

Did you just make those things up in your head?

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You have no idea what Biden thinks.

What illegal things did Hamas do?

Hint, attacking concerts with ex military people in war zones is not a crime.

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05-20-2024 , 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

The video of the site is wild, visibility is like a few feet max.

Apparently 3 of the rescue team are now missing it's so bad.

I think it's just an unfortunate Kobe situation. It's just bonkers the timing. But the universe is weird like that.

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05-20-2024 , 04:34 PM

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I’m no lawyer, but I’m pretty sure intentionally murdering civilians would be outside the bounds of any legal protection for armed resistance.

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05-20-2024 , 04:38 PM

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I’m no lawyer, but I’m pretty sure intentionally murdering civilians would be outside the bounds of any legal protection for armed resistance.

well, you need to prove that the Hamas guys instructed them to murder civilians. otherwise its just collateral damage and rogue soldiers.

but its kinda weird that these guys are supposed to get prosecuted considering how many civilians Israel (and the USA for that matter) have murdered over the last couple decades.

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05-20-2024 , 04:43 PM

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Hint, attacking concerts with ex military people in war zones is not a crime.

That's quite a hill to die on.

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05-20-2024 , 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

Because you are unable to see past your delusions or insecurities. Wanted to see how bad yours were

Who is my idol? Where did I excuse Hamas?

Did you just make those things up in your head?

You have no idea what Biden thinks.

What illegal things did Hamas do?

Hint, attacking concerts with ex military people in war zones is not a crime.

So just as i figured

You ignore all the charges against hamas and ignore what icc says the crimes they committed and Dismiss them

But call me out and wonder if id agree with the charges against bibi

Do me a favor

Anyone who won't admit that Oct 7 its war crimes or me on ignore and or don't call out my ****ing name about what i think of what Israel is doing in response to the crimes committed against them

Pw

Do not call out my name anymore

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05-20-2024 , 04:47 PM

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That's quite a hill to die on.

It's beyond ****ing ridiculous and him and victor get away with saying bullshit like that all day long and i get timeouts for being argumentitive when i respond

It's bullshit

And it's pure antisemetic because no normal person that didn't hate Jews would think the murders AND RAPES at the music festival are okay

And he's also ignoring THAT THEY STILL HAVE WOMEN AND CHILDREN AS HOSTAGES BUT THINKS THAT'S NOT A CRIME

because they are Jews

****ing antisemitic pos

I'll see you whenever

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05-20-2024 , 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

You have no idea what Biden thinks.

Seems unsually clear

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Joe Biden has attacked as “outrageous” an application by the international criminal court for warrants seeking the arrest of the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, along with senior members of Hamas, for actions carried out in Gaza.

The US president sided unambiguously with Israel after the ICC’s prosecutor, Karim Khan, announced he was pursuing arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant, the Israeli defence minister. Khan is also pursuing the arrests of three leading Hamas figures, Yahya Sinwar, Mohammed Diab Ibrahim al-Masri – better known as Mohammed Deif – and Ismail Haniyeh over

The prosecutor’s announcement prompted Biden’s most outspoken remarks in Israel’s support in months, with the president accusing the ICC of drawing a false moral equivalence between the country and Hamas, a militant Islamist group that has run Gaza since 2006.

“The ICC prosecutor’s application for arrest warrants against Israeli leaders is outrageous,” Biden said in the statement. “And let me be clear: whatever this prosecutor might imply, there is no equivalence – none – between Israel and Hamas. We will always stand with Israel against threats to its security.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rant-netanyahu

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05-20-2024 , 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls

I’m no lawyer, but I’m pretty sure intentionally murdering civilians would be outside the bounds of any legal protection for armed resistance.

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Originally Posted by 5 south

That's quite a hill to die on.

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I posted the Geneva convention rules of engagement and rules for warfare. It’s not my problem if you choose to ignore it and continue your delusions. And I don’t consider ex military people who materially and physically support IDF and its operations as civilians. Guess what, Geneva convention doesn’t either

If you have civilians around military targets then you ****ed your civilians. Welcome to reality.

And I didn’t read any of the ICC stuff cause the warrants haven’t even been filed.

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05-20-2024 , 04:54 PM

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Please layout the war crimes that occurred and cite. I’ll throw $20 to your fav charity.

You need to layout the law being violated and cite the law.

It’s a freeroll besides your time. Should be quite simple to do.

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05-20-2024 , 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

if a bunch of Hamas people were dancing in the desert, how do you think Israel would respond? and would you support it?

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05-20-2024 , 05:03 PM

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Who said the rapes and murders were ok? That’s part of war. It’s ****ed up. **** happens. It’s not ok. Is it a war crime? I don’t know. It is a war crime against that dude that did the rapes but not against Hamas unless Hamas was organizing a mass rape.

IDF on the other hand organizes kidnappings and keeps people in jail without the right of habeas corpus. Disgusting

That doesn’t mean the govt is organizing rapes. Hostages maybe. Hamas has 50, IDF has 1000, that means IDF gets 20x worse punishment or nah?